qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Aug 21, 2017 17:15:45 GMT -5
www.drf.com/news/new-protocols-instituted-new-york-enhance-safetyif this were happening at del mar some in here would be breaking their fingers and inducing carpal tunnel to themselves to post about it as fast as they could. but not a word about it since its at dear old Saratoga? doc holiday must have been a fan of east coast racing when he said this...............
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Post by cait on Aug 21, 2017 20:44:59 GMT -5
everyone responded on your other thread. don't think there's anything to add. of course, you ignore any posts that don't agree with you lol
Some facts - the total is since April. 1 was colic. 2 were steeplechase. Doesn't come close to 16 on the track in less than 2-3 weeks. All deaths are bad - but - it happens unfortunately.
also - how many are stabled at each track and working out there?
And you are correct sir - "your hypocrisy knows no bounds" - nor does your bias
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Post by cait on Aug 21, 2017 20:50:30 GMT -5
hey nick - you should post - then wiz can hit a trifecta for slamming his 3 favorites! SOS
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man man your time is sand, I am the eyes of Nostradamus all your ways are known to me.
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Post by Nostradamus on Aug 21, 2017 20:58:19 GMT -5
Well the article stated that it is also happening at Del Mar as the same monitoring by on track vets and other regulatory officials has already been instituted at that track. I guess there must have been reasons for concern there also, huh? A huge double deck nothing burger Mr. Doom and Gloom - race horses break down everywhere. Why do you think that by next year you will pick up the Racing Form and half of the horses in the running lines first three finishers of the PP's are not running any more? Hint - it's not because they have a 148 IQ and got a job working on wall street. lol.
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Post by george on Aug 21, 2017 21:40:30 GMT -5
everyone responded on your other thread. don't think there's anything to add. of course, you ignore any posts that don't agree with you lol Some facts - the total is since April. 1 was colic. 2 were steeplechase. Doesn't come close to 16 on the track in less than 2-3 weeks. All deaths are bad - but - it happens unfortunately. also - how many are stabled at each track and working out there? And you are correct sir - "your hypocrisy knows no bounds" - nor does your bias I was going to point out that of the eight racing deaths, two were in hurdle races, which brings the number down to six racing deaths. No doubt one day PETA will start whining about hurdle races. I don't know how many deaths there have been at Del Mar, the usual and natural comparison since the two tracks/meets are eternally compared. Although they're tragic, training accidents and deaths are less relevant to me since trainers can be irresponsible in the training and pushing of their horses. As for the number of horses stabled at each? It very close (assuming all stalls are occupied) - Del Mar has 1850, Saratoga 1830. On the other hand, so far this year Del Mar has had about 500 less starters (2300 at Saratoga vs. 1800 at Del Mar), so if there were even 4 at Del Mar we're talking about a wash if we're going to place blame. Bottom line, it happens. And if it's 6 in 2000 starters or 4 in 1500 starters, it's essentially the same.
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Aug 21, 2017 21:54:41 GMT -5
never said it doesn't happen at del mar or anywhere else. that has been my stand for the last 4 or 5 years while listening to cait drone on about how bad it is on the west coast. but my point is where is the constant whining and posts now? you want to constantly try to make me out as biased to deflect that that is you. I guess it is biased to look at things from both sides and then make a logical decision, right cait? your automatic reaction to everything is bash the west coast, bash stronach, and bash the breeders cup, no matter what the news is or the article may be about. you are the most pig headed, biased person I have ever come across on any of these sites, and most can see that. the only ones who don't are your butt buddies. how am I west coast biased when I went 5 or 6 years bashing it myself and not playing it at all because of the surfaces they used? you make absolutely no sense whatsoever, just like your new pal sapperdick. speaking of whom, I'm sure it is happening at del mar. that isn't the point. there is nothing wrong with either track doing this, trying to improve the conditions or the safety. the point isn't that. the point is simply when it happens at del mar everyone screams like a bitch, but when it happens at Saratoga everyone is hush hush about it like uncle joe jack just got convicted of statuatory rape because he had a kid with his 12 year old daughter. no one wants to talk about that at the family reunion now do they?
whats wrong mr. dick? are you jealous of that IQ? are you going to think about it all day and night now like you do everything else that involves me? must be sad to have someone haunt your dreams like I do.
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Post by Nostradamus on Aug 21, 2017 22:22:01 GMT -5
Don't talk to me about IQ's because they haven't even developed a scale to measure mine yet. So am I getting on your nerves Mr. Doom nd Gloom - 148 IQ ? You know that an average persons IQ is about 130 as a maximum so I would not brag too much about a 148 IQ as a teenager because as I understand IQ is based on age and how well you comprehend general things relative to the same people of your age and those types of circumstance. So what is your IQ now that you have aged? (-)148. lol.
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Post by george on Aug 21, 2017 22:33:14 GMT -5
Don't talk to me about IQ's because they haven't even developed a scale to measure mine yet. Correct - the scale doesn't go below 70.
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Aug 22, 2017 1:11:49 GMT -5
Don't talk to me about IQ's because they haven't even developed a scale to measure mine yet. So am I getting on your nerves Mr. Doom nd Gloom - 148 IQ ? You know that an average persons IQ is about 130 as a maximum so I would not brag too much about a 148 IQ as a teenager because as I understand IQ is based on age and how well you comprehend general things relative to the same people of your age and those types of circumstance. So what is your IQ now that you have aged? (-)148. lol. and you just showed what yours is thanks to another ic, uninformed comment. do you ever do any research before you blabber your stupid opinions on these sites? the average IQ is not 130 you F*ing JO. the average is actually now in the high 90's and dropping every year thanks to the liberals and millennials refusal to learn anything and attempts to change the past. when you don't learn from the past you are destined to repeat it and that is something they don't get. every generation that goes by gets dumber and dumber and more reliant on technology that others have created to perform even the most remedial tasks. but back to the IQ, 130 and higher is actually considered in the upper 5%. also I have self admitted that I don't think I am as sharp now as I was 20 or 30 years ago. in fact the last IQ test I took was about 5 years ago and I scored 134, but that was an online test so it may have scored differently. who knows? if I had to gues I would assume yours in in the the low to mid 80's based on your general knowledge, posts and responses on here. that is right above the special needs level.
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Aug 22, 2017 1:12:59 GMT -5
Don't talk to me about IQ's because they haven't even developed a scale to measure mine yet. Correct - the scale doesn't go below 70. hehehe
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george
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Post by george on Aug 22, 2017 8:35:11 GMT -5
From one source the average IQ in the United States is 98. iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-countryTheir data may be correct, but their presentation of it is idiotic - look at the rankings: South Korea should be 3rd, Japan and China should be 4th, Taiwan 5th, etc. Curious that an organization that's discussing intelligence can be making such an obvious blunder! Rank Country IQ 1 Hong Kong 108 1 Singapore 108 2 South Korea 106 3 Japan 105 3 China 105 4 Taiwan 104 5 Italy 102 . . . 9 United States 98 (really tied for 23rd)
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Aug 22, 2017 13:47:04 GMT -5
yeah like I said, high 90's and dropping every year. it used to be close to 110 20 or 30 years ago. every generation that goes by becomes more and more reliant on technology that others have implemented. no one can problem solve or figure things out for themselves anymore. without a computer or smartphone 90% of americans wouldn't be able to navigate their way to the gas station and back. then they consider themselves smart because they know how press a button on a keyboard and have a computer give them the answers to everything. I always have said that intelligence isn't the ability to find the answer to something, especially with the help of technology. intelligence is the ability to retain that knowledge and recall it again on your own. regardless, the average is no where near 130. just another stupid statement from a stupid person.
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Post by Evelyn on Aug 26, 2017 11:08:46 GMT -5
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Post by racinggal on Aug 26, 2017 12:47:24 GMT -5
Danzig Candy is a nice horse. I hope he recovers and becomes a successful Daddy!
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Aug 26, 2017 16:30:21 GMT -5
evelyn correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the number of foals has gone down steadily almost every year for quite a while so I don't see how you could think that is the reason.
as far as the link goes, I haven't read it yet but I suppose its about a horse breaking down at del mar? if it is, it might be their fault. might not be. I don't know. but that wasn't my point or this post. the point was simple. you guys don't treat the two tracks equally or fairly when it comes to reporting or posting news like this. just admit it. you know its true. you on the other hand I think are just biased.
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Post by george on Aug 26, 2017 20:58:40 GMT -5
In 1990 there were 40,000 foals, in 2000 down to 34,700, in 2010 down to 25,900 and last year 20,800.
In 2008 the number of breakdowns per 1,000 starts was 2.04. The rate has gone down for the last four years, 2013 through 2016, to 1.54.
A lot of this is perception when there are several bunched together at a particular track. However, the actual number of fatalities in all of North America has dropped by 45% since 2009, from 143 to 80, and dropped at a higher rate than the drop in starts.
Here are the actual numbers from 2009 through 2016 (these numbers don't include training fatalities, which are difficult to document):
Year #/1000 Starts Actual # 2009 2.00 71,662 143 2010 1.88 68,235 128 2011 1.88 64,625 121 2012 1.92 61,863 119 2013 1.90 58,138 110 2014 1.89 55,198 104 2015 1.62 53,365 86 2016 1.54 52,049 80
Off the subject, but here's an interesting statistic from the Jockey Club (from which the numbers above came). The average field size in North America in 2016 was only 7.59, and the average number of starts per horse was only 6.2, once every 8 weeks. If trainers weren't so conservative with their horses and started each horse in only one more race (once every 7 weeks) the average field size would go up to 8.38.
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Post by Evelyn on Aug 26, 2017 21:22:49 GMT -5
George I guess I should have said "too many horses not well bred" - injuries will continue with the rail thin legs - thanks for the numbers but they don't include training deaths/imjuries whereas wiz's original post does
as to bias - well - considering the source, your snipe at me wiz is hilarious!
last year we talked about the phenomenal deaths at Del Mar - the entire industry was - don't see where anyone trashed your beloved CA tracks this year
and wiz STOP bashing other members - I will continue to delete that sort of trash -
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Post by Evelyn on Aug 26, 2017 21:24:59 GMT -5
wiz is obviously a proponent of "fake news" figures!
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Aug 26, 2017 21:32:35 GMT -5
who said they were phenomenal? again you putting words in my mouth to try and make me look biased, hoping to deflect the bias that you show. I have never said that. besides, it certainly wouldn't take anything phenomenal to be better then anything nyra has to offer anyway.
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Post by Evelyn on Aug 26, 2017 22:23:32 GMT -5
dear me - you just read wth you want. I used the word "phenomenal" - no one put words in your mouth - where did I say you said that? I give up - you just want to argue and fight - about NOTHING!!! You sound quite jealous re America's Premier meet. Waiting for to argue that Ferndale is a better meet lol
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