qhwizard
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aqueduct sucks, belmont sucks, saratoga sucks, and everything in MD. sucks. wespecially timonium!!
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 16, 2017 17:17:45 GMT -5
1. He's in shape but placed badly? 2. Shadwell needs $ 3. He's prepping for a match race vs Dortmund? Not ready for prime time yet, although his connection have a lot of faith in him to run him in the Kings Bishop against Defrong and then the Met Mile against Mor Spirit when the connections are smart enough to know he is going to hook up with the best of the best in those races. Think about it - this horse must be showing something to the connections in his workouts. yes he is placed badly. that's the point. he cant compete with top competition. that's not faith or confidence. where else are they going to run him realistically? he is a grade 1, five time winner who cost 2 million dollars. they either have to run him in stakes races or retire him. just because he isn't broken down and he is in shape doesn't mean he belongs in these races. like I said, he has never improved off of his first 5 or 6 starts and never will. if they just want to see their horsey run around the track then by all means keep him in training. otherwise he needs to be retired.
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Nostradamus
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man man your time is sand, I am the eyes of Nostradamus all your ways are known to me.
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Post by Nostradamus on Jul 16, 2017 17:48:07 GMT -5
So I guess you think there will be no problem beating him to the buffet? lol.
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george
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Post by george on Jul 16, 2017 19:27:44 GMT -5
OMG you think a class race is based on whether it is officially stated as a Gr. 1, 2 or 3. lolololol! Dude it is the horses that are in the race not the official classification of the race. lolololol. The race had some of the toughest mile turf horses in the country like King Kreesa, Loubash and Karafa who would be competitive in any Grade 1 or 2 turf mile race in the country. Yesterday I had Overture nailed at 12-1 in Indiana 8th race - the Gr 3 Indiana Oaks. Why? Because in last race, which was only an allowance race, was in the lead against Unchained Melody (laying 2nd) who in next race wired the field in the Mother's Goose. lolololol. No it does not matter what the class of the race was but who was in the race - handicapping 101. How can you survive for 25 years gambling is astounding. I tell you what, you must be a hell of a gambler knowing all the rule of thumb tricks to get your horses in there to be able to survive as a gambler for so long so I give it to you that you must be a serious gambler. Me - I am a very good horse racing picker technician. Just think what we could do together as a team - we would clean up. lol. Neither the first or second place (Kharafa) finishers have ever won a graded stakes race, so it appears the "Graded Stakes" horses in the race are on their way down. Lubash's last Graded Stakes (Gr 3) win was in November through a disqualification. There were a couple of $1M winners in the race, but both of them did so eating up NYB stakes races, not even open stakes races. That Indiana race is irrelevant if you're comparing it to the race under discussion - they're 3YO fillies, we're talking about older horses here - average age over 6! Look at the conditions of the race, NW4L or horses that haven't won since last year. Of course many younger horses' last races, especially this early in their 3-YO seasons, could have been in allowance races. Even some of the greatest horses in history ran in allowance races as 3-YOs. You "gamble" your way, I'll gamble my way. I've always made it a practice to not critique the way others handicap. Try it.
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Nostradamus
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man man your time is sand, I am the eyes of Nostradamus all your ways are known to me.
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Post by Nostradamus on Jul 17, 2017 17:39:54 GMT -5
You need to go back and look at the Mohaymen turf race and look at the Past Performance running lines and the first three finishers in all of the races that all of those turf horses ran against. You will see some names of the best turf horses in the country show up in those running lines of ALL (and I mean ALL) of those turf horses in the Mohaymen race and you will see that they ran very competitively against those best in the country turf horses. You are another one that just thinks a tough and class race is only one that is a Graded race.
The Indiana race makes the same point also which is just judge the quality in a race by the class of horses in the race whether it be claiming, allowance or Grade 1 - not the classification of the race. Look in the PP's for races where the horse you are trying to handicap ran in a very tough race against very tough horses and were very competitive - don't worry about the classification of the race.
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qhwizard
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aqueduct sucks, belmont sucks, saratoga sucks, and everything in MD. sucks. wespecially timonium!!
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 17, 2017 20:05:29 GMT -5
George I have learned. nose has learned. teen has learned. now you have to. don't bother repeating the obvious to this guy. it does no good. he cant understand the or grasp the obvious or see anything other then the way he has looked at things his entire life, which is wrong. he cant even understand what point others are arguing or what it means. he is simply re tard ed!!
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Nostradamus
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man man your time is sand, I am the eyes of Nostradamus all your ways are known to me.
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Post by Nostradamus on Jul 17, 2017 22:19:02 GMT -5
George I have learned. nose has learned. teen has learned. now you have to. don't bother repeating the obvious to this guy. it does no good. he cant understand the or grasp the obvious or see anything other then the way he has looked at things his entire life, which is wrong. he cant even understand what point others are arguing or what it means. he is simply re tard ed!! too not to. lol. All I can say is that it must be a communication and understanding problem not a problem with disagreement in the fundamentals - because it is totally obvious what I am saying is just basic horse racing 101. If you understood what my words were attempting to communicate I am sure you would agree with me. So then it must be you don't have the ability to understand communication on the level and subtle complexities, but at the same time simplicity, which I am presenting it. It is the proverbial and biblical quote "like throwing pearls before the swine." lol.
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qhwizard
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aqueduct sucks, belmont sucks, saratoga sucks, and everything in MD. sucks. wespecially timonium!!
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 18, 2017 0:06:56 GMT -5
first off, basic horse racing 101 is what causes you and most other players to go broke.as I have stated before, if the answer to winning at the track was simply in the form, dot you think someone smarter then you would have already figured it out by now? this is not a mathematical equation or a crossword puzzle to be solved. it is about figuring stuff out that others don't see, and you have shown from the start you are incapable of that.when you sit here and drone on and on about how or why you like a horse and start giving your dumbass reasons it is literally enough to make a person with common sense barf.
secondly, no one understands what your words are attempting to communicate thank god.
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