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Post by Evelyn on Jul 24, 2017 7:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by Nostradamus on Jul 24, 2017 21:06:36 GMT -5
Before the race was about to go off my thoughts were that Arrogate might break down in the race. I did not want that to happen but my experience in betting race horses is that whenever there is a sure thing it never comes in. There was over 1 million bet to show as if it was a "sure thing" and that said to me something bad was going to happen that was not going to allow that horse to finish third and those people to collect a "sure" show bet - just like the Big Brown debacle. That is the nature of race horses. A sure thing never comes through. I was just very glad that he didn't break down.
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 24, 2017 21:38:52 GMT -5
the difference is big brown was a broke down, sore horse going into the race and it was well known. arrogate isn't broke down or sore. he just didn't run his race and it really wasn't that much of a surprise. even though baffert is the best around at winning fresh off the layoff there are still situations where horses need a start. its called training. anyone betting him at those odds deserved to lose. I'm 100% positive bob didn't have any involvement in any funny business. the horse is worth way to much money for that. but that doesn't mean he wasn't fully cranked either. unless there really is something wrong with him, I'm sure he will run his race next time when the purses get higher.
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Post by byanose13 on Jul 25, 2017 14:49:19 GMT -5
Why would you think he was going to break down? what were the signs that he exhibited? I would also say there are to many times to count that a sure thing is run out so this is not like some kind of freak happening. I hate to go after a post but your post is absolute nonsense. Arrogate had no prior cases of this type of performance(1st race excluded) had had no serious medical conditions or problems that I know of and as far as those in the know he was fit and ready and very well could have been a day he didn't feel in the groove. I also believe that the ride he was given was poor at best and it seems more and more Smith is throwing in these questionable rides more frequently.
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Post by george on Jul 25, 2017 17:24:17 GMT -5
Why would you think he was going to break down? what were the signs that he exhibited? I would also say there are to many times to count that a sure thing is run out so this is not like some kind of freak happening. I hate to go after a post but your post is absolute nonsense. Arrogate had no prior cases of this type of performance(1st race excluded) had had no serious medical conditions or problems that I know of and as far as those in the know he was fit and ready and very well could have been a day he didn't feel in the groove. I also believe that the ride he was given was poor at best and it seems more and more Smith is throwing in these questionable rides more frequently. Glad you said that about the ride on Arrogate, I was thinking the same thing this weekend but for many Smith is on some sort of pedestal among racing "fans" so kept quiet. In the last week he's been on what may be considered the three best horses in America - Songbird - best older female, Arrogate - rated best in the world, and Abel Tasman - leading 3-yo filly. He was all out to win the Delaware Handicap and whipped her about as much as the much criticized Calvin Borel did on Rachel Alexandra in the Woodward years ago (yet not a peep about how he punished Songbird), he came out of the gate poorly on Arrogate and lost badly, and again he was all out to win on Abel Tasman Sunday. He easily could have lost all three, and with better rides easily could have won all three. He's riding like Pat Day did toward the end of his career - not taking any chances, always on the outside, and way too conservative.
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Post by Nostradamus on Jul 25, 2017 18:00:04 GMT -5
Why would you think he was going to break down? what were the signs that he exhibited? I would also say there are to many times to count that a sure thing is run out so this is not like some kind of freak happening. I hate to go after a post but your post is absolute nonsense. Arrogate had no prior cases of this type of performance(1st race excluded) had had no serious medical conditions or problems that I know of and as far as those in the know he was fit and ready and very well could have been a day he didn't feel in the groove. I also believe that the ride he was given was poor at best and it seems more and more Smith is throwing in these questionable rides more frequently. If you are talking to me then my answer would be that he could have broke down due to a bad step or something freakish, not because he was unfit or had a problem before the race. Anything might happen that would cause the 1 million show pool not to be paid off - and it did. So my feelings before the race came true but not because of a break down. So it all makes sense to me.
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 26, 2017 13:04:38 GMT -5
so in other words you had no reason to think it. just your ass backwards thinking again that makes sense to you..............and no one else on the planet Nostradamus. anything can happen to any horse during a race, but suddenly, after the race mind you, you claim to have had an epiphany that this horse was going to break down, which he didn't even do? is it possible for you to be anymore full of shit then you are? also wtf do you mean by "anything might happen that would cause the 1 million dollar show pool not to be paid off- and it did"? do you even understand how pari mutual wagering works? how can you consistently say such stupid things?
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 26, 2017 13:52:55 GMT -5
Why would you think he was going to break down? what were the signs that he exhibited? I would also say there are to many times to count that a sure thing is run out so this is not like some kind of freak happening. I hate to go after a post but your post is absolute nonsense. Arrogate had no prior cases of this type of performance(1st race excluded) had had no serious medical conditions or problems that I know of and as far as those in the know he was fit and ready and very well could have been a day he didn't feel in the groove. I also believe that the ride he was given was poor at best and it seems more and more Smith is throwing in these questionable rides more frequently. Glad you said that about the ride on Arrogate, I was thinking the same thing this weekend but for many Smith is on some sort of pedestal among racing "fans" so kept quiet. In the last week he's been on what may be considered the three best horses in America - Songbird - best older female, Arrogate - rated best in the world, and Abel Tasman - leading 3-yo filly. He was all out to win the Delaware Handicap and whipped her about as much as the much criticized Calvin Borel did on Rachel Alexandra in the Woodward years ago (yet not a peep about how he punished Songbird), he came out of the gate poorly on Arrogate and lost badly, and again he was all out to win on Abel Tasman Sunday. He easily could have lost all three, and with better rides easily could have won all three. He's riding like Pat Day did toward the end of his career - not taking any chances, always on the outside, and way too conservative. I agree about smith. ive never thought he was one of the very best at any point in his career. he is ok but he does put on poor rides now and then and gets horses beat more often then he makes the winning difference.
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Post by Nostradamus on Jul 26, 2017 19:56:41 GMT -5
so in other words you had no reason to think it. just your ass backwards thinking again that makes sense to you..............and no one else on the planet Nostradamus. anything can happen to any horse during a race, but suddenly, after the race mind you, you claim to have had an epiphany that this horse was going to break down, which he didn't even do? is it possible for you to be anymore full of shit then you are? also wtf do you mean by "anything might happen that would cause the 1 million dollar show pool not to be paid off- and it did"? do you even understand how pari mutual wagering works? how can you consistently say such stupid things? It takes a genius to understand the thinking of another genius. A genius you are not - not even close. Dude you are one stupid dumbfk punk. Just how many times do I have to try to say the same thing to you but in s lightly different way before you get a very simple concept? OK I will say it again but a little different for you. All I said was that I had a feeling that the 1 million show pool was not going to get paid off (and it is too not to as you continuously write) as it was too much of a sure thing and in horse racing when you think you got an absolute sure thing like that then something happens that makes you lose. Therefore I thought something was going to happen to the horse that would prevent the bridge jumpers from collecting on what they thought was a sure bet. I did not think the horse could ever lose third on his own in 5 horse field that were no match to him on paper so I was worried that he could break down or something. Is that alright with your you boorish turd? That I was worried about the safety of the horse?
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Post by george on Jul 27, 2017 7:28:04 GMT -5
I agree about smith. ive never thought he was one of the very best at any point in his career. he is ok but he does put on poor rides now and then and gets horses beat more often then he makes the winning difference. He was all but washed up in NY back in the late 1990s, which is why he left.
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 27, 2017 15:16:29 GMT -5
so in other words you had no reason to think it. just your ass backwards thinking again that makes sense to you..............and no one else on the planet Nostradamus. anything can happen to any horse during a race, but suddenly, after the race mind you, you claim to have had an epiphany that this horse was going to break down, which he didn't even do? is it possible for you to be anymore full of shit then you are? also wtf do you mean by "anything might happen that would cause the 1 million dollar show pool not to be paid off- and it did"? do you even understand how pari mutual wagering works? how can you consistently say such stupid things? It takes a genius to understand the thinking of another genius. A genius you are not - not even close. Dude you are one stupid dumbfk punk. Just how many times do I have to try to say the same thing to you but in s lightly different way before you get a very simple concept? OK I will say it again but a little different for you. All I said was that I had a feeling that the 1 million show pool was not going to get paid off (and it is too not to as you continuously write) as it was too much of a sure thing and in horse racing when you think you got an absolute sure thing like that then something happens that makes you lose. Therefore I thought something was going to happen to the horse that would prevent the bridge jumpers from collecting on what they thought was a sure bet. I did not think the horse could ever lose third on his own in 5 horse field that were no match to him on paper so I was worried that he could break down or something. Is that alright with your you boorish turd? That I was worried about the safety of the horse? GENIUS?? HAHA YOU ARE THE DUMBEST F* ON HERE AND EVERYONE CAN SEE IT EXCEPT FOR YOU. YOU CAN KEEP REPEATING IT HOWEVER MANY TIMES YOU WANT. ITS NOT THAT PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. ITS THAT IT MAKES NO SENSE AND YOU ARE WRONG. YOU KEEP SAYING YOU HAD A FEELING THE SHOW POOL WASNT GOING TO GET PAID OFF. HOW DUMB ARE YOU THAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THAT IT DID GET PAID OFF? IT ALWAYS GETS PAID OFF YOU IDIOT!! IT MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHO FINISHES IN THE MONEY, THE MONEY ALWAYS GETS PAID OUT. IT JUST GETS DISTRIBUTED DIFFERENTLY. EVEN THE NEWEST AND SIMPLEST OF HORSEPLAYERS UNDERSTAND THAT AND HERE YOU ARE SUPPOSEDLY A 40 YEAR VETERAN OF THE TRACK AND YOU CANT GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD? SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT THE WAY YOU WORD THINGS YOU SOUND LIKE AN ILLITERATE MOST OF THE TIME AND MAKE NO SENSE AND ON TOP OF IT WHY ARE ALL OF THESE BOLD PREDICTIONS ABOUT HORSES BREAKING DOWN POTED AFTER THE RACE? REDBOARDING AS ALWAYS. IF YOU THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BREAK DOWN, WHY NOT BET TO SHOW ON THE OTHERS LIKE I DID? BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHICKEN SHIT BASTARD WHO WANTS TO ACT LIKE A BIGSHOT WHO KNOWS SOMETHING WHEN IN FACT YOU ARE A F*ING IMBECILE.
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Post by Evelyn on Jul 29, 2017 10:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 29, 2017 11:14:35 GMT -5
2 things.
1. why cant it just be he didn't run his race that day? as ive said many times, horses are not machines. sometime they just don't show up. they don't feel like running. even the best hitters in baseball only get a hit one out of every three times they go to the plate. reggis Jackson struck out more times then he homered. how many great movies did paul newman make before he won an Oscar? its ridiculous how quick all of you jump to conclusions that the sky is falling just because a horse has a bad day, and a bad day where there are many valid excuses and reasons as to what might have happened at that. everything is always a disaster or a cataclysmic event. its one thing if you want to try and beat him again next time because the odds say its the right thing to do. but to go in to it thinking he is finished or something is terribly amiss is just an overreaction, something many in this sport and especially on this forum are famous at.
2. even if he has fallen of or even doesn't make the classic, how is that a bad thing for the BC? you suddenly have a wide open, competitive, bettable race instead of a walkover. I know one thing. the handle on the classic would go up, not down. once agin sounds like the naysayers and haters trying to find reasons to wish for a west coast track hosting the BC to fail. gee, what a shocker.
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Post by Jon on Jul 29, 2017 11:27:05 GMT -5
Well damn - some things never change! No one is "hating"! She just said she meant not good for Arrogate. I also think it wouldn't be good if the #1 horse in the world doesn't make it. Never was a fan of Arrogate really so don't care. Agree it might make the race a better betting race but think it really doesn't matter because He's no lock even if he runs.
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 29, 2017 14:24:06 GMT -5
if he runs any of his previous 4 races before last week he is. who do you think is going to beat him off his travers, classic, Pegasus, or Dubai race? mohaymen? uncle sigh maybe?
haters gonna hate!! that's proven here.
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Post by george on Jul 29, 2017 20:12:36 GMT -5
I agree about smith. ive never thought he was one of the very best at any point in his career. he is ok but he does put on poor rides now and then and gets horses beat more often then he makes the winning difference. Cardinal rule in race riding - stay on the horse.
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 29, 2017 21:00:34 GMT -5
yeah and you could see when it happened it was all on him. he basically fell asleep at the wheel. he even said after he had a loose reign trying to stay close to the 3 early. well, hang on next time jackass!!
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Post by george on Jul 29, 2017 21:14:41 GMT -5
Like I said earlier, he's like Pat Day late in his career - riding scared and never taking chances. He could have tried to stay on the horse, but bailed while it was "safe".
Considering his off odds in most of his races, he's rapidly becoming a "bet against".
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Post by qhwizard on Jul 29, 2017 21:26:02 GMT -5
no argument here.
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Post by cait on Jul 30, 2017 13:07:30 GMT -5
geo - absolutely correct! he never was a great jock - remember when he was run out of ny? he's been very very lucky to get the mounts - anyone know who's his agent?
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