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Post by qhwizard on May 20, 2017 17:58:23 GMT -5
pletcher is the worst. you can spend all you want and make them good, but keeping them good for more then 1 or 2 races is the trick. that's why he never wins back to back off of short rest. he cant train. he is definitely Lukas jr. same pluses and definitely the same minuses. I should have known better.
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Post by Evelyn on May 20, 2017 18:02:44 GMT -5
Wiz - really don't think that's fair. And we should have listened to CC!
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Post by qhwizard on May 20, 2017 18:25:42 GMT -5
you don't think whats fair? don't ask me to produce them because I don't have them in front of me, but I know for a fact that his percentages are horrible with horses returning off of less then 3 weeks rest, especially coming off of a win. I read it somewhere and then I looked it up myself. facts are facts. why is it everytime someone uses facts to support a point around here someone has to get upset or butthurt and act as if they are being mean?
btw, the day I listen to her on anything will be the day I vote for Anthony wiener.
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Post by Evelyn on May 20, 2017 20:28:26 GMT -5
Good grief Wiz - Pletcher has several eclipse awards - 6 or 7 I think (too tired to look it up). Ifyou want to go by your facts then I guess you weren't so smart to bet his horse  All I meant was CC was saying all week her pick was Cloud Computing. Who's butt hurts? Not mine! |
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Post by george on May 20, 2017 22:44:07 GMT -5
The truth is, not many trainers win three or even two races in a row with the same horse, that's why there have only been only 12 Triple Crown winners in 98 years. I would think that a trainer who has won more than a quarter billion dollars (actually $.34B) in only 20 years and (with 23% winners and 52% ITM) is a decent trainer.
So he doesn't win as many Triple Crown races as some, but for those guys that's ALL they win. I've reminded people that there are 43,000 races run in North America each year, the Triple Crown covers only three races.
BTW, he won seven Eclipse Awards over 11 years from 2004 to 2014 (I don't know in how many he finished second or third)
BTW2, earlier this week I narrowed down the horses to Always Dreaming and Cloud Computing, too bad I settled on the on the wrong one!!!!!
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Post by qhwizard on May 20, 2017 23:20:07 GMT -5
stop double tracking and saying you meant something you didn't for christs sake. its bad enough you protect her like a little princess but you could at least admit to it. lets look at this conversation.............
1. pletcher- did I say he hasn't won awards? did I even say he hasn't deserved them? NO. what I said was he is a bad trainer off of short rest coming off of a win, which if deciphered correctly means 2 weeks isn't enough rest for a horse "coming down" after being hopped up for a race. it isn't the horses physical fitness, talent, or training that won his races. it was his drugs. thats why you don't play a trainer like that back on short rest. its also why his horses usually 2 or 3 good races in them before they break down or just go bad and have to be retired.
2. the whole point of my post was me ADMITTING I was an idiot for betting him, but thatks for pointing it so even the simplest people would notice it.
3. BULLSHIT. you state "that's not fair" clearly before I even mentioned cait or she had anything to do with any part of the conversation I had taken part of. you were clearly stating "that wasn't fair" in regards to my statement about pletcher. why try to cover your ass and now say it was about cait?
the only part of this conversation I care about was what I posted about. pletchers bad numbers in these type situations. I can only repeat again. I could care less about who cait picked or why and if I did want to congratulate her it would be on the challenge thread. not here.
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Post by qhwizard on May 20, 2017 23:30:50 GMT -5
The truth is, not many trainers win three or even two races in a row with the same horse, that's why there have only been only 12 Triple Crown winners in 98 years. I would think that a trainer who has won more than a quarter billion dollars (actually $.34B) in only 20 years and (with 23% winners and 52% ITM) is a decent trainer. So he doesn't win as many Triple Crown races as some, but for those guys that's ALL they win. I've reminded people that there are 43,000 races run in North America each year, the Triple Crown covers only three races. BTW, he won seven Eclipse Awards over 11 years from 2004 to 2014 (I don't know in how many he finished second or third) BTW2, earlier this week I narrowed down the horses to Always Dreaming and Cloud Computing, too bad I settled on the on the wrong one!!!!! I'm talking about value and betting wise, hence my title, "they sucked me in again". I'm not looking to buy a horse. if I was I would consider him for sure if I had limitless money and just wanted to win a few races. I'm sure he would pick me out a fine horse and juice him up with a few milkshakes to make him appear to be a world beater for about a 3 race span, right up until the day he snaps it off. but he would also probably be 3/5 in those races that he ran big in so betting wise it would be useless as well. hey, truthfully I don't give a shit what he does to his horses to get them to win. I'm not judging him for any of it. but what I am saying is he making a bet on him to do it is a stupid move and I should know better. |
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Post by Jon on May 21, 2017 1:14:15 GMT -5
I should have known better too! No value but figured he had to be in exotics. Don't think Pletcher is anywhere close to milkshaking pro O'Neill.
I don't think Ev was referring to you when she mentioned CC - she was referring to us. She should have known better than to mention CC on a response to you LOL Just let it go already.
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Post by Evelyn on May 21, 2017 8:23:09 GMT -5
TY George for your post! Yes Jon, I guess I erred! Wiz - why do you always read so much into a simple post? It seems you just want to argue all the time. You said "Pletcher is the worst" I said "That's not fair". Simple as that! The rest of your reply is based on your assumptions - which were incorrect imo There was no "double talking".
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Post by Nostradamus on May 21, 2017 9:12:19 GMT -5
So you didn't bet him in the derby at 9/2 (remember I picked him there and got criticized for picking chalk - at 9/2 not!) but you bet him at a real chalk price in the Preakness. Can you explain me that logic? lol.
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Post by qhwizard on May 21, 2017 13:40:34 GMT -5
I didn't criticize you for betting him at 9/2 in the derby. I may have criticized people for taking short prices in futures leading up to the derby on him or any other horse because that is just stupid. you never know what might happen until the gate opens and taking 6/1 on a horse like McCracken 3 months before the race when you can end up getting a higher price on derby day without the risk of injury before the race is crazy.
also, who said I didn't bet him in the derby? no, I did not place a win bet on him and I should have because he was the horse I thought was the most likely winner. instead I let myself be swayed and took the better prices and bet gunnerva and lookin at lucky to win and place. so excuse me for ONLY having the exacta for $21.00!! that paid $336.00 btw foe 2 dollars. how did you do?
and lastly, no I didn't bet him to win at a chalk price. I played him and classic empire both in pick fives and was live to both for 2 dollars. yes 6300 and 3500 to two horses that looked like standouts to me. yes I would have gotten back more if empire would have won and you would think I would be more upset over that, but I'm not. he did his part. leparoux put him in the race and gave him every chance to win. he ran his eyeballs out. pletchers cow is the one who didn't show up or even put forth an effort of a 20/1 shot, as should be expected of a horse he trains.
you need any more explanations mr. LOL?
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Post by qhwizard on May 21, 2017 14:04:44 GMT -5
I should have known better too! No value but figured he had to be in exotics. Don't think Pletcher is anywhere close to milkshaking pro O'Neill. I don't think Ev was referring to you when she mentioned CC - she was referring to us. She should have known better than to mention CC on a response to you LOL Just let it go already. you are probably right about that as far as milkshaking goes, but oneil doesn't spend 1/10th as much on his horses as todd does and I bet his percentages as far as breakdowns to starters are just as bad. plus the sickening part is everyone thinks todd is a saint while oneil gets the bad wrap because of some people (who will remain nameless) and their biased east coast views. hell I'm not even a big oneil fan. I know hes a juicer, but so are a shitload of the trainers that the east biased people put up on a pedestal. that is what is amazing about the whole thing. I bet I could name 20 trainers on both coasts who juice more then baffert ever has, but he is the one everyone wants to hate on and say he isn't a horsemen. pletcher never even knew what a horse was until he was teenager and certainly didn't grow up around them. he learned the business from Lukas, who couldn't train either. they are both great PR men and judge of horse flesh, but they don't know how to train. baffert does. I will let it go for now. but you know damn good and well they wont. |
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Post by Nostradamus on May 21, 2017 19:44:18 GMT -5
I didn't criticize you for betting him at 9/2 in the derby. I may have criticized people for taking short prices in futures leading up to the derby on him or any other horse because that is just stupid. you never know what might happen until the gate opens and taking 6/1 on a horse like McCracken 3 months before the race when you can end up getting a higher price on derby day without the risk of injury before the race is crazy. also, who said I didn't bet him in the derby? no, I did not place a win bet on him and I should have because he was the horse I thought was the most likely winner. instead I let myself be swayed and took the better prices and bet gunnerva and lookin at lucky to win and place. so excuse me for ONLY having the exacta for $21.00!! the paid $336.00 btw foe 2 dollars. how did you do? and lastly, no I didn't bet him to win at a chalk price. I played him and classic empire both in pick fives and was live to both for 2 dollars. yes 6300 and 3500 to two horses that looked like standouts to me. yes I would have gotten back more if empire would have won and you would think I would be more upset over that, but I'm not. he did his part. leparoux put him in the race and gave him every chance to win. he ran his eyeballs out. pletchers cow is the one who didn't show up or even put forth an effort of a 20/1 shot, as should be expected of a horse he trains. you need any more explanations mr. LOL? No that is a very good and impressive explanation and based on that it seems you have a pretty firm grasp on horse racing doings. Carry on. I am a pretty good picker but honestly not a real good gambler. I think you are a good gambler but not a real good picker, but OK. Maybe one day you can teach me how to be a good gambler like you and I can give you some pointers on picking. lol. |
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Post by qhwizard on May 21, 2017 20:32:40 GMT -5
I didn't criticize you for betting him at 9/2 in the derby. I may have criticized people for taking short prices in futures leading up to the derby on him or any other horse because that is just stupid. you never know what might happen until the gate opens and taking 6/1 on a horse like McCracken 3 months before the race when you can end up getting a higher price on derby day without the risk of injury before the race is crazy. also, who said I didn't bet him in the derby? no, I did not place a win bet on him and I should have because he was the horse I thought was the most likely winner. instead I let myself be swayed and took the better prices and bet gunnerva and lookin at lucky to win and place. so excuse me for ONLY having the exacta for $21.00!! the paid $336.00 btw foe 2 dollars. how did you do? and lastly, no I didn't bet him to win at a chalk price. I played him and classic empire both in pick fives and was live to both for 2 dollars. yes 6300 and 3500 to two horses that looked like standouts to me. yes I would have gotten back more if empire would have won and you would think I would be more upset over that, but I'm not. he did his part. leparoux put him in the race and gave him every chance to win. he ran his eyeballs out. pletchers cow is the one who didn't show up or even put forth an effort of a 20/1 shot, as should be expected of a horse he trains. you need any more explanations mr. LOL? No that is a very good and impressive explanation and based on that it seems you have a pretty firm grasp on horse racing doings. Carry on. I am a pretty good picker but honestly not a real good gambler. I think you are a good gambler but not a real good picker, but OK. Maybe one day you can teach me how to be a good gambler like you and I can give you some pointers on picking. lol. the only thing you know about picking.................... |
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Post by Nostradamus on May 21, 2017 20:46:00 GMT -5
Now that's cold. I'm butthurt. lol.
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Post by Jon on May 22, 2017 0:28:12 GMT -5
Play nice guys! But am LMAO
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