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Post by jbracing on Apr 26, 2017 6:38:48 GMT -5
I'm not surprised that irad ortiz jr wasn't able to get any rides oaks or derby day at churchill downs. that ride on terra promessa did him in.
he does well on the circuit he's riding because all the top riders move around, he is just good there. outside of his element he's not even a top 15 jockey.
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Post by Evelyn on Apr 26, 2017 20:54:20 GMT -5
I think he's a very good jockey. He just won the meet title.
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Post by jbracing on Apr 26, 2017 21:45:48 GMT -5
I think he's a very good jockey. He just won the meet title. who was his "competition?" no castellano his brother was in florida as was velasquez. he was the "best" of a subpar colony. |
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Post by qhwizard on Apr 27, 2017 1:13:06 GMT -5
have to agree with pete on this one, although I could care less. I'm not saying he isn't a good jock, but winning the title at aqueduct is like beating me in a foot race. is it really something you should be bragging about?
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Post by jbracing on Apr 27, 2017 7:36:53 GMT -5
can you imagine anyone foolish enough to brag about irad ortiz jr winning a riders title during aqu's winter meet. he only beat up on the bums that stayed around. he was the "best" of a bad lot. majority of the races were 5 horse field and three of them couldn't have won the race with a 10 length head start.
he can't be that good though because ALL the best jockeys WILL be riding in louisville next weekend
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Post by byanose13 on Apr 27, 2017 8:40:10 GMT -5
I believe he said he was going to skip the Oaks and Derby to ride full time @ Belmont Park, now whether that was because he hasn't gotten any mounts or anybody inquiring about his availability is something else.
I am wondering why someone hasn't inquired about Borel.
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Post by cait on Apr 27, 2017 11:14:50 GMT -5
pete? did you lose $ on him (probable!) - like what a stupid thread!!! he is a good jock - you just love bashing anything ny!
not a shabby record:
Coaching Club American Oaks (2012), Pennsylvania Derby (2012), Alfred G. Vanderbilt Handicap (2012), Alabama Stakes (2012), Carter Handicap (2013), Champagne Stakes (2013), King's Bishop Stakes (2013), Test Stakes (2014, 2015), Acorn Stakes (2014), Flower Bowl Stakes (2015, 2016), Spinster Stakes (2015), Manhattan Stakes (2015), Belmont Oaks Invitational Stakes.2015), Gotham Stakes (2016), Diana Stakes (2016), Spinaway Stakes (2016, )American Classics / Breeders' Cup wins:
Belmont Stakes (2016)
Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf (2014)
Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint (2015)
Breeders' Cup Filly and Mare Turf (2015)
he's currently 5th in national standing
and am not "bragging! (doubt ev was either!!) just some facts -
nose - good point - he'll probably make a ton of $ on derby day at Belmont!
pete/james (your middle name perhaps?)think you are really bored =
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Post by jbracing on Apr 27, 2017 12:16:44 GMT -5
I believe he said he was going to skip the Oaks and Derby to ride full time @ Belmont Park, now whether that was because he hasn't gotten any mounts or anybody inquiring about his availability is something else. I am wondering why someone hasn't inquired about Borel. Mr Nose he and his agent tried getting some mounts they fell on deaf ears. His ride on terra promessa in the azeri did him in. he's good where he is no where else unlike his brother who is good everywhere |
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Post by qhwizard on Apr 27, 2017 13:24:00 GMT -5
IM NOT SAYING HES GREAT, GOOD, OR CRAPPY. I HAVENT WATCHED HIM ENOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT BECAUSE WHEN I BAD MOUTH AND BOYCOTT A TRACK LIKE AQUEDUCT, I ACTUALLY STICK TO WHAT IM SAYING AND DONT BET IT OR HARDLY EVER WATCH IT. UNLIKE OTHERS WHO CONTINOUSLY BASH IT AND THEN JUMP RIGHT IN AND BET IT AS SOON AS THEY ARE BORED AND NO WHERE ELSE IS OPEN. BUT I CAN SAY THIS. IF HE WASNT GOING TO GET A TOP MOUNT WITH A LEGITIMATE CHANCE TO WIN, STAYING HOME IS DEFINATELY THE SMART DECISION. I KNOW SOME JOCKS AND TRAINERS WAIT THEIR WHOLE LIVES TO GO TO THE DERBY BUT ONCE YOU HAVE BEEN THERE ONCE OR TWICE, WHO CAREE? LIKE CAIT SAID, IF HE PLAYS HIS CARDS RIGHT HE CAN HAVE A VERY GOOD DAY STAYING IN NEW YORK AND CLEANING UP ON THE BLOATED PURSES WHILE NO ONE ELSE IS AROUND. JUST LIKE PLAYING POKER WITH ALCOHOLICS AND S. ITS ALL DEAD MONEY HES IN AGAINST.
I REMEMBER ONE YEAR LIKE 20-25 YEARS AGO WHEN ALL THE TOP JOCKS LEFT TOWN FOR THE DERBY AND MARTIN PEDROZA WON LIKE 6 RACES AT HOLLYWOOD
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Post by Evelyn on Apr 27, 2017 21:40:54 GMT -5
I was not bragging either. I think he's good - not great - and he makes a ton of $/ Also you are exaggerating about 5 horse fields. The Big A never closed for lack of entries. Winter - Aqueduct - smaller fields to be expected!
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Post by qhwizard on Apr 27, 2017 22:08:12 GMT -5
I was not bragging either. I think he's good - not great - and he makes a ton of $/ Also you are exaggerating about 5 horse fields. The Big A never closed for lack of entries. Winter - Aqueduct - smaller fields to be expected! no but they should have. that's the point. why put on a product when it is crap? your better off cancelling. also not only do they run those 5 horse fields all the time, but I don't think ive ever seen a track that has more late scratches then aqu. trying to fool people into thinking the races will have 7 or 8 horses in it and then having 3 late scratches off the program. its ridiculous. |
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Post by Evelyn on Apr 30, 2017 10:17:32 GMT -5
No one's forcing anyone to bet anywhere! Since you don't follow the Big A how do you know? All tracks have scratches when the weather is bad. I don't bet much at A - especially on bad weather days. I'm just sick of twisted facts. Just saying......................
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Post by qhwizard on Apr 30, 2017 13:02:44 GMT -5
and I don't bet there, but I'm just talking. its a conversation. we hear plenty of it the other way towards west coast tracks as well from certain people on here.
but the facts aren't twisted. the numbers don't lie. look at the field sizes. and its not like global warming just hit last year and the weather changed in 6 months. if the weather is so bad that this is what happens on a yearly basis, which it does, then maybe that's the sign that they shouldn't be running.
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