qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Apr 9, 2017 15:55:59 GMT -5
so much for the miracle worker art Sherman improving on bafferts work. he couldn't even get the horse to finish a race. live.drf.com/nuggets/36088 |
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Post by jbracing on Apr 9, 2017 16:55:16 GMT -5
Mr QH your statement is misconstrued before sherman got dortmund he was on a four race losing streak. dortmund was done before he got to sherman, your pal burned him out. not mr sherman.
funny how your words are almost the same as another persons. sort of makes me wonder.
Santa Anita 4/1/2017 Santana Mile Stakes ran fourth
Santa Anita 3/11/2017 Frank E. Kilroe Mile Stakes ran sixth
these races below were when baffert looked after dortmund, he hadn't won since 11-28-2015 his last four races he was beaten
Santa Anita 11/4/2016 Las Vegas Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile ran fourth
Santa Anita 10/1/2016 Awesome Again Stakes ran second
Del Mar. 8/20/2016 TVG Pacific Classic Stakes ran third
Del Mar 7/23/2016. San Diego Handicap ran second
Del Mar 11/28/2015 Native Diver Stakes. ran first
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Apr 9, 2017 17:57:06 GMT -5
wrong. he was the same horse last year as he was as a 3 year old. the only difference is he didn't get better like you need to when you start facing older horses. but he still ran good, competitive races against the best horses out there. also, the reason bob isn't training for zayat anymore stems directly from Dortmund. bob told zayat in no uncertain terms that he had no chance in any race against arrogate, especially the Pegasus, when zayat wanted to run him. that's why he took the horses away from him. he didn't like being told his horse wasn't good enough. well now you see what happens when bob isn't training him. not only is he not good enough to be facing arrogate, he isn't even good enough to finish his races against overnight stakes horses.
and who exactly do I sound like? this coming from the master of all aliases? get a clue man. everyone here knows who I am. I have never attempted to hide it or changed my name countless times to try to confuse people like a child would. you are a sad little man.
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Post by jbracing on Apr 9, 2017 19:43:00 GMT -5
how can you say he was the same horse last year as he was a three year old. proof positive he ran four times in 2016 and lost all of them, while being looked over by baffert.
good races mean poo poo when you don't win. why bring zayat into this?
you sounded like someone I read elsewhere, just about word for word.
"master of all aliases" you've been woofing this since my arrival, man you're possessed over someone. I am six foot three far from little. why not go watch some replays of dortmund when he was winning, not like in 2016 when he lost four in a row while being cared for by baffert.
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Apr 9, 2017 20:26:13 GMT -5
man you are dumb.
his competition level went up last year. that's why he wasn't winning. he was no longer running in restricted 3 year old only races. as good as I thought the horses were in pharaohs tc year, it turns out I was probably wrong. in hindsight pharaoh faced a pretty weak division of horses when he won tc. I'm glad he did it and was rooting for him, but his numbers weren't great in any of those races and the horses who ran behind him have all turned in a couple of big performances after but for the most part have disappointed. back to Dortmund, he ran good races in defeat to chrome and beholder last year. in fact his only subpar race was his last in the breeders cup. after which bob made it very clear he thought the horse didn't belong against that level of competition right now. and I brought zayat into it because he is part of the story and the owner of the horse. unlike you, I don't pick and choose which facts or parts of a story I want to use and not use when I am telling it.
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Post by teenagewildlife on Apr 9, 2017 21:20:35 GMT -5
how can you say he was the same horse last year as he was a three year old. proof positive he ran four times in 2016 and lost all of them, while being looked over by baffert. good races mean poo poo when you don't win. why bring zayat into this? you sounded like someone I read elsewhere, just about word for word. "master of all aliases" you've been woofing this since my arrival, man you're possessed over someone. I am six foot three far from little. why not go watch some replays of dortmund when he was winning, not like in 2016 when he lost four in a row while being cared for by baffert. everything wiz told you is true, and even more, you should know that horses run in cycles and it is in my belief that dortmund would have got back to the winner's circle eventually but it may have taken many races to do so. Losing Baffert as a trainer certainly didn't help the horses chances of reaching or breaking its previous top. Do you use thorograph dude?? |
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Post by jbracing on Apr 10, 2017 7:05:52 GMT -5
how can you say he was the same horse last year as he was a three year old. proof positive he ran four times in 2016 and lost all of them, while being looked over by baffert. good races mean poo poo when you don't win. why bring zayat into this? you sounded like someone I read elsewhere, just about word for word. "master of all aliases" you've been woofing this since my arrival, man you're possessed over someone. I am six foot three far from little. why not go watch some replays of dortmund when he was winning, not like in 2016 when he lost four in a row while being cared for by baffert. everything wiz told you is true, and even more, you should know that horses run in cycles and it is in my belief that dortmund would have got back to the winner's circle eventually but it may have taken many races to do so. Losing Baffert as a trainer certainly didn't help the horses chances of reaching or breaking its previous top. Do you use thorograph dude?? your response was juvenile, of course I know horses run in cycles. Mr QH failed to acknowledge that way before dortmund was transferred to sherman he lost every race in 2016. being "competitive" doesn't count winning does. dortmund was done long before sherman got him. sherman knows when a horse is done baffert doesn't. what does thorograph have to do with this topic? |
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Post by byanose13 on Apr 10, 2017 15:28:10 GMT -5
Once again
Baffert:
Starts 5
Wins 1
Seconds 2
Thirds 1
ITM 80%
Sherman:
Starts 2
Wins 0
Seconds 0
thirds 0
ITM 0%
And not once did Dortmund finish LAST while Bob was training him.
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Post by jbracing on Apr 10, 2017 16:30:12 GMT -5
Mr Nose in 2016 baffert trained him 4-ZERO-2-1
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Apr 10, 2017 16:38:46 GMT -5
being competitive doesn't count? are you F*ing insane? if he runs second or third in million dollar races every start, you don't think he is running better races probably then if he were winning 25,ooo nw1 optional claimers? yes he was done, and that's what bob said after the BC. he isn't the one who wanted to keep running him, especially over his head against the best horses.
and even though I no longer use it, thoroughgraph is the best and most reliable source out there for "figures" players. I'm sure it will show you exactly what I am saying. his performances didn't decline in 2016. his competition just got better and he didn't.
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Post by byanose13 on Apr 10, 2017 18:12:46 GMT -5
JB just using the races you listed in your posts
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Post by jbracing on Apr 10, 2017 20:26:45 GMT -5
Mr QH only thing I agree with in your latest statement " his competition got better, he didn't" art sherman wasn't his downfall at all.
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Post by cait on Apr 10, 2017 20:46:58 GMT -5
ok - surprise! I agree with wiz re $ - have always said baffert knows how to place horses for the most $ - also think he didn't want to keep dort running so it was probably shah's decision to do so - he was never happy to be in am p's shadow
was it said why he was retired? Sherman only said he "had issues" - of course they're thinking stud fees but am guessing he has a significant injury - he definitely paid his way (yes wiz know I said awhile ago he should be retired and you disagreed - but he just didn't look right on the track imo - am thinking maybe a small problem got worse
so now he finally gets the right decision
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on Apr 10, 2017 22:21:19 GMT -5
ok - surprise! I agree with wiz re $ - have always said baffert knows how to place horses for the most $ - also think he didn't want to keep dort running so it was probably shah's decision to do so - he was never happy to be in am p's shadow was it said why he was retired? Sherman only said he "had issues" - of course they're thinking stud fees but am guessing he has a significant injury - he definitely paid his way (yes wiz know I said awhile ago he should be retired and you disagreed - but he just didn't look right on the track imo - am thinking maybe a small problem got worse so now he finally gets the right decision that I don't know, but he did have issues from the injury at the end of his 2015 campaign. also it could have just been mental. based on what he was doing in his last few races and how badly he was performing, he may have just decided he didn't want to race anymore. just like classic empire and tepin are doing now. sometimes you have to pay attention to a horses mental actions as well as their physical when you are training or handicapping them. Dortmund isn't who we were talking about in that conversation............ it was hoppertunity. come on now, you can keep up in the conversations. I know you can. |
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