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Post by jbracing on Mar 27, 2017 7:00:49 GMT -5
it appears many in here and afar baffert has quite a fan club. here are his past ten years of win percent and in the money percentage.
these are facts from equibase, numbers don't tell fibs, many people fib.
Win In the money
2007 17 48
2008 19 52
2009 23 54
2010 25 59
2011 26 56
2012 29 62
2013 23 51
2014 23 52
2015 21 53
2016 26 58
21% in 2015 is a low number considering he had pharoah who won everything in sight. without him his numbers would have been in the teens.
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Post by qhwizard on Mar 27, 2017 16:47:54 GMT -5
lolol. man are you dumb. who do you think is fibbing, and about what? I said he has been a NEAR 25% trainer for 20 years and even what you are posting does nothing to disprove that. then you act as if you have unearthed the remains of jimmy Hoffa by posting his win percentage may have dropped a couple of points in a year where he might have just been a little bit distracted from his everyday schedules by the fact that he was training and looking after the first triple crown winner in 37 years. ya think maybe the interviews, schedules, traveling, and everything else just might have taken away from his overview of the rest of his stable just slightly because of that? yet he still won 21%. and you want to act as if that should be looked upon as a bad year? how ass backwards and brain F*ed are you?
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Post by jbracing on Mar 27, 2017 19:57:38 GMT -5
Mr QH baffert is a quality trainer, do I drip when he sends out a horse? nope. my points are quite simple if you gave kiaran, tom amoss, jerry hollendorfer, jimmy jerkins,
marty wolfson the same horses that baffert and pletcher get you'd get the same or better results.
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Post by teenagewildlife on Mar 27, 2017 20:32:41 GMT -5
lolol. man are you dumb. who do you think is fibbing, and about what? I said he has been a NEAR 25% trainer for 20 years and even what you are posting does nothing to disprove that. then you act as if you have unearthed the remains of jimmy Hoffa by posting his win percentage may have dropped a couple of points in a year where he might have just been a little bit distracted from his everyday schedules by the fact that he was training and looking after the first triple crown winner in 37 years. ya think maybe the interviews, schedules, traveling, and everything else just might have taken away from his overview of the rest of his stable just slightly because of that? yet he still won 21%. and you want to act as if that should be looked upon as a bad year? how ass backwards and brain F*ed are you? the fibber is pres who is making a big deal about win % when what really is important is creating profit from those who are invested in him and the horses he trains. And unless pres can prove otherwise I think even an idiot knows that BB is one of the best, if not the best, at providing more bang for their buck. So what if he wins at 21% or 29%, he takes $100k investments and wins the big $500k race, whether or not its the Illinois Derby or the Breeders Cup. |
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Post by jbracing on Mar 27, 2017 20:58:30 GMT -5
wildlife my name is james first off, secondly baffert is a top name. you fail to understand my point possibly because you're consumed with this pres person or maybe you're to daff to comprehend logic.
for the final time if kiaran, tom amoss, jerry hollendorfer, jimmy jerkins, marty wolfson got the same horses baffert or pletcher got they'd have the same or better win percentages.
if you continue this witch hunt you're on then I'll just choose not to give your inane comments the time of day.
one further point please do show me and others what $100K horse trained by baffert won a race of $500K or more.
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Post by byanose13 on Mar 28, 2017 14:33:05 GMT -5
If I had a stable and BB was my trainer, I would take those numbers every year. Those % in mostly big purse races not $5,000 claimers so let's see the purse totals and that will show the COMPLETE picture.
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Post by byanose13 on Mar 28, 2017 14:52:37 GMT -5
2016-$15,864,326(412)#4
2015-$16,221,741(388)#3
2014-$14,400,849(426)#3
2013-$15,317,291(570)#2
2012-$15,047,226(538)#2
2011-$14,104,834(503)#3
2010-$11,103,463(500)#3
2009-$9,574,394(504)#3
2008-$7,137,579(322)#12
2007-$7,157,892(430)#11
2006-$8,136,567(392)#6
The numbers are Earnings followed by starts and finally where he ranked in earnings at years end.
In 2009 when he ranked #3 he had 1,400 fewer starts than the leader(Asmussen) and in most cases was 500 or so less starts than the earnings leader(which most of the time was Pletcher)
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Post by teenagewildlife on Mar 28, 2017 15:18:28 GMT -5
2016-$15,864,326(412)#4 2015-$16,221,741(388)#3 2014-$14,400,849(426)#3 2013-$15,317,291(570)#2 2012-$15,047,226(538)#2 2011-$14,104,834(503)#3 2010-$11,103,463(500)#3 2009-$9,574,394(504)#3 2008-$7,137,579(322)#12 2007-$7,157,892(430)#11 2006-$8,136,567(392)#6 The numbers are Earnings followed by starts and finally where he ranked in earnings at years end. In 2009 when he ranked #3 he had 1,400 fewer starts than the leader(Asmussen) and in most cases was 500 or so less starts than the earnings leader(which most of the time was Pletcher) thanks josh, that's real research. now, if anybody wants to take it a step further by totaling up the $ owners spent on horses he trained and do some sort of comparison with, say Karl freakin Broberg than we can really drive home the point that BB is no-questions-asked one of the best. |
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Post by qhwizard on Mar 28, 2017 16:54:32 GMT -5
this is what I have said for years. even though bob does spend a lot and have a lot of starters, the fact is he still doesn't spend nearly as much as pletcher or even as much per horse as Lukas still does, who has been a 10% trainer for the last 20 years now. he also has no where near as many starters per year as assmusson or pletcher. I'm not even going to include some of the other trainers he named off because it will do no good. its clear common sense is lost on some people in here. a few either want to live in a fantasy land or else in the past
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Post by byanose13 on Mar 28, 2017 18:27:43 GMT -5
A few more #s to ponder
Starts by yearly leader followed by Baffert,#s in () is earnings per start
2016 Brown-763($30,320.3),Baffert-412($38,505.6)
2015 Pletcher-1,124($23,379.5),Baffert-388($41,808.6)
2014 Pletcher-999($22,499.2),Baffert-426($33,804.8)
2013 Pletcher-946($26,690),Baffert-570($26,872.4)
2012 Pletcher-855($24,507.9),Baffert-538($27,968.8)
2011 Pletcher-1,016($16,916.3),Baffert-503($28,041.4)
2010 Pletcher-1,082($21,402.1),Baffert-500($22,206.9)
2009 Asmussen-2,944($7,433.7),Baffert-504($18,996.8)
2008 Asmussen-3,022($8,015.6),Baffert-322($22,166.4)
2007 Pletcher-1,228-($22,895.8),Baffert-430($16,646.2)
2006 Pletcher-1,168($22,962.5),Baffert-392($20,756.5)
So in the "10 years of Baffert" he has a better per start earnings in 8 of the 10 years with the 2 years he didn't "win" were 2006 and 2007, the first 2 years of the time in question.
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Post by qhwizard on Mar 28, 2017 19:57:35 GMT -5
ty nose. I wonder if the blind are seeing things any more clearly yet.
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Post by jbracing on Mar 28, 2017 20:39:32 GMT -5
Mr Byanose good statistics I respect your thoughts as I do Mr QH. to quote forest gump life is a box of chocolate you never realize what you're biting into.
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