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Post by jbracing on Mar 25, 2017 7:40:25 GMT -5
arrogate will be beaten today in dubai, not because of the condition of the track. he will lose because the horse has been asked to do way to much in such a short period of time. greed is the issue not the horse, you'd think after winning the pegasus they would allow the horse some time to refresh. instead all they see is the potential of winning six million dollars. I hope the horse comes out of the race healthy.
the trainer reminds me of a quote from scarface "pigs get slaughtered"
apollo kentucky will me my top selection
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Post by byanose13 on Mar 25, 2017 8:32:04 GMT -5
He might get beat but not from being out of gas, he hasn't really been asked to run yet. I think if he gets beat it will be because of the travel or the track condition if the get rain,I have heard that track is very tiring when wet.
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Post by qhwizard on Mar 25, 2017 9:13:41 GMT -5
nothing wrong with ever trying to beat the chalk betting and value wise, but your reasoning is pretty lame as usual. this is his 3rd race in 5 months! how the F* is that greed? is this anything like your reasoning when you said he would lose before the Pegasus?
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Post by Evelyn on Mar 25, 2017 10:38:57 GMT -5
I don't think so! He will hopefully win. He'll be in my boxes. I will be betting Gun Runner also.
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Post by qhwizard on Mar 25, 2017 12:47:56 GMT -5
man that horse looked exhausted didn't he?
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Post by jbracing on Mar 25, 2017 12:59:19 GMT -5
to those catcalling go collect your 2.10
I tried and didn't connect
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Post by teenagewildlife on Mar 25, 2017 14:25:57 GMT -5
nothing wrong with ever trying to beat the chalk betting and value wise, but your reasoning is pretty lame as usual. this is his 3rd race in 5 months! how the F* is that greed? is this anything like your reasoning when you said he would lose before the Pegasus? any handicapper who thought arrogate was going to be beat was delusional. Pres/JB: any method of handicapping revealed the obvious, so why not just skip the race, as many did, and why not just be quiet about it and not proclaim him beatable? |
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Post by cait on Mar 25, 2017 15:04:24 GMT -5
would think - especially with such a big bettor - that a nickel on a dollar is better then 0 - there are times to throw a hail mary - this wasn't 1 of them
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Post by qhwizard on Mar 25, 2017 15:08:31 GMT -5
exactly teen. even if you do bet the race and your getting a giant price on a horse with even a small chance that's ok too. but you think you have to have an opinion on everything and act as if you are some intellectual Hercules everytime you open your mouth. its not about catcalling or red boarding or anything else. its about not making an ass out of yourself.
"sometimes its better to remain silent and appear to be a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
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Post by qhwizard on Mar 25, 2017 15:11:54 GMT -5
I'm not even blaming him for playing the race cait or betting against arrogate, but to be so boisterous about it just to show his bias against his trainer is stupid. nothing wrong with betting for value though.
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Post by jbracing on Mar 25, 2017 16:54:32 GMT -5
Mr QH are you saying that Arrogate is good because of baffert?? Or could a trainer such as Karl Broberg have done just as good a job with him?
I give credit where credit is due is Arrogate good,yes.... but is it because of the horse or what he's done to him?
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Post by qhwizard on Mar 25, 2017 18:32:40 GMT -5
its both obviously. who do you think picks these horses out at the sales? who do you think is in charge of either his everyday care or at least hiring the right people to assist him in doing so? are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that you believe his knowledge of the game is below others? how the F* do you think he got to this point where he does get top horses? he started out at the bottom of the barrel with one owner. but when you consistently win 20-25% every year you are naturally going to attract big money owners and trainers.
so if he gets an 800k yearling who turns out to be a flop, its his fault for being a bad trainer, right? but if that same 800k yearling goes on to win the derby it has nothing to do with him?
were not just talking about 1 horse here. look at his F*ing stats and record, especially over the last 5-6 years. no one has ever had a run like he is on, at least not in this country. I cant believe the ignorance of some people on here.
karl broberg?? really??
come on man!!
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Post by jbracing on Mar 25, 2017 20:53:52 GMT -5
karl broberg has 335 starts with 62 wins that's a 19% win rate
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Post by qhwizard on Mar 25, 2017 23:00:50 GMT -5
ok? and baffert has been averaging close to 25% for over 20 years now. and not on a small time circuit winning 3,200.00 claiming races either. I'm not even trying to bad mouth this guy. you are the one that brought him up. but do you seriously want to compare a guy who wins at a lower % rate and whose starters probably don't earn 1/20th the amount in purses? maybe broberg is a great trainer also or at least has the potential to be. I don't know. but I do know one thing. baffert already is and has nothing more to prove. and if you cant see that or admit to it then that's on you.
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Post by byanose13 on Mar 26, 2017 7:06:50 GMT -5
I will agree with Wiz on this. Baffert can lose his big horse before a race and his "B" horse will win it, so be careful of BB's "b" stable because he has some running in the next few weeks and he knows how to get them ready.
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Post by redhawk on Mar 26, 2017 9:06:23 GMT -5
i agree with what most everyone wrote in here except for the original post.Most likely a novice who likes to hear themself talk,and no real substance behind it.in essence, a blowhard
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Post by redhawk on Mar 26, 2017 9:08:50 GMT -5
By the way,nice to be here.Im Redhawk from Fresno Ca.I love betting on the horses and cant wait for the Big Fresno Fair
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Post by Jon on Mar 26, 2017 15:13:00 GMT -5
OK - redhawk - who are you really? Let's have a contest! Davis(for w/e reason, my wife likes you!), slimeball Chambers? George? Miserable dumbass Margie? another Pres nick (god please no!)
If you're really new, my apology. Tell us about yourself?
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Post by teenagewildlife on Mar 26, 2017 16:00:26 GMT -5
Mr QH are you saying that Arrogate is good because of baffert?? Or could a trainer such as Karl Broberg have done just as good a job with him? I give credit where credit is due is Arrogate good,yes.... but is it because of the horse or what he's done to him? no way. what a joke! Broberg is good at claiming fair KY breds and pitting them against LA breds in allowances at Delta Downs. He is not even a 10% winner at Oaklawn, which has some class but is not the class of a Keeneland, Santa Anita, Churchill, NYRA, Laurel, you get the picture. Not everything can be proven by statistics or odds or whatever. BB is a better trainer, end of story. He gets better bred horses BECAUSE he does more with less. Question his approach or methodology, as some here do, but it is not comparable. Broberg is good for a laugh about Lousiana Downs but that is about the end zone for him (get the reference?) If you gave Baffert a horse with the dosage line of 2-2-2-1-0 and give Broberg a 11-0-2-0-0, give them 3 months, put them in a 5 furlong race.. Baffert's horse crushes Broberg's 99 out of a 100 times, and THAT'S why he gets the best breeds now. And seriously, if my good friend Nose says "who?" when you mention a trainer like Broberg's name then its not even worth trying to make a comparison! |
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