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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 9:49:44 GMT -5
As I was having my Morning conversation with my good friend, he bought up the comparison what David Jacobson is currently doing at AQU and what Juan Carlos Guerrero was doing at PARX.
When Juan Carlos was winning every race in sight, everyone was screaming. Now Jacobson is winning everything in sight, yet not a peep.
Jacobson has 38 starts with 10 wins.
His Horses are ITM at a 74% rate.
He also is the Leading Owner with Drawing Away Stables with 5 wins.
What are your thoughts on this??
Mine well Jacobson is NO better than Rick Dutrow Jr or Rudy. He took a "sabbatical" from training in NY, then reappeared and has seem to found the "magic potion" to winning races.
I don't like NYRA's Management or Politics, but I'm friends with a few of the Horsemen and Jockeys. They all know what's going on, but will not speak out against it. That's the problem, it's like the Pink Elephant in the room everyone sees it, yet no one talks about it.
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Post by lt1 on Dec 20, 2013 11:13:17 GMT -5
It's kind of funny if you think about. Parx hated Juan Carlos and got rid of him. His brother goes from being an 8% trainer to the mid 20 % range and his wife takes out a trainer license and is winning at 38%. Nary a peep. NYRA hated Dutrow and got him. Jacobson comes back after a 25yr absence and becomes an instant success. For the record when he came back I got a phone call from a former leading NY trainer telling me to watch this guy. It's amazing how he claims horses and all of a sudden they revert to their old form. Now I know that barn changes can and do wake some horses up but not all of them. And look at Rudy R when the heat was on he couldn't win. Now that it's quiet again magic. I'm not saying that they are cheating but being from the old school and a law enforcement background I think where there is smoke there just might be a fire. Nyra would do well to step up surprise barn inspections on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 11:33:36 GMT -5
It's kind of funny if you think about. Parx hated Juan Carlos and got rid of him. His brother goes from being an 8% trainer to the mid 20 % range and his wife takes out a trainer license and is winning at 38%. Nary a peep. NYRA hated Dutrow and got him. Jacobson comes back after a 25yr absence and becomes an instant success. For the record when he came back I got a phone call from a former leading NY trainer telling me to watch this guy. It's amazing how he claims horses and all of a sudden they revert to their old form. Now I know that barn changes can and do wake some horses up but not all of them. And look at Rudy R when the heat was on he couldn't win. Now that it's quiet again magic. I'm not saying that they are cheating but being from the old school and a law enforcement background I think where there is smoke there just might be a fire. Nyra would do well to step up surprise barn inspections on a regular basis. Jacobson doesn't look much different than three of the pioneers of "juice" - Peter Ferriola, John Parisella, and the king - Oscar Barrera Sr. It's amazing how he can move a horse up after a claim and win easily at odd-on. Barrera was the best at this though. I remember him claiming a horse for $3500 (lowest price in NY at the time), and then winning six consecutive races with her, including a classified allowance - all in the space of 29 days! Jacobson's not that bad, but he comes as close as anyone. But, NYRA is aware of him. I'm not sure if his barn is still being closely scrutinized, but remember back in May NYRA decided to put his barn under 24-hour video surveillance and increased blood testing. |
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Post by lt1 on Dec 20, 2013 12:09:15 GMT -5
True but they nailed Rudy who shared a barn with DJ
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 12:13:26 GMT -5
I hadn't heard that they got Rodriguez, but I noticed that up until a few weeks ago his numbers were down but he seems to be back to normal (or he's found a new "juice" harder to detect?)
It boggles my mind that guys that can make a reasonably good living risk that career to cheat. In the long run one wonders if it's worth it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 12:20:45 GMT -5
When Rudy got caught, he actually tried to put some of the blame on Jacobson's barn because NYRA hadn't installed cameras on the part of the barn he was sharing.
The funniest part of all this was Rudy actually put up a $50,000 reward to help him find out how his Horses failed their tests.
To this day no one has claimed the money. I wonder why??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 16:51:21 GMT -5
can I ask a question?
if everyone knows who is cheating, when they are cheating, and no one can figure out how they are cheating, why not just bet on the cheaters?
its as simple as picking up the form and reading past performances.its one of the basic rules of handicapping. barn changes. equipment changes. track surface changes. it all goes into solving the puzzle.
there is no way you will EVER stop trainers from cheating and/or looking for an edge over others. it is a waste of time. there will always be a barn that has an edge over the others. that's the beauty of being a regular, studying the races, and doing the work and research. so you know these things. instead of griping about, why not take advantage of it?
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Post by lt1 on Dec 20, 2013 16:59:46 GMT -5
No problem betting them if the horse figures. It's just that some things jump out at you and the people who should be looking at some of the weird things don't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 17:17:11 GMT -5
I understand what your saying lt1, having spent the biggest part of the last 20 years making track variants and average times based off of trouble and trip notes on the quarters. you want to look at the numbers you come up with and think to yourself that, "hey, after all the work I have done, I should be able to safely expect these figures to be accurate.". but sometimes you just have to look at a situation and say, " hmm, first time adan farias, elmer January off, never ran a step first two times out, and lined at 12-1? im taking a shot!". that's how you find those kind of prices. otherwise the favorites win percentage would be more like 50% instead of 35% and we would all be trying to live off of 3-5 shots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 12:00:32 GMT -5
Jacobson is within 6 wins of equalling NYRA'S single year record for trainers. Six cards remain for the year.
I certainly hope he doesn't get the wins...
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Post by Evelyn on Dec 27, 2013 22:43:03 GMT -5
He got the record.
Jacobson sets NYRA record with 160th win of year
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Trainer David Jacobson won the 7TH race at Aqueduct on Friday afternoon to set a single-year record for victories on The New York Racing Association, Inc. (NYRA) circuit with 160.
After winning three races on Thursday to tie Gary Contessa's 2007 mark, Jacobson broke the record with favored Tiz Gianni ($4.40), ridden by Jacobson regular David Cohen and co-owned by Jacobson and Drawing Away Stable. Jacobson, a 59-year-old native of New York, has already wrapped up his second straight training title on the NYRA circuit, having tied for first in 2012 with 110 victories.
"It's something very special," Jacobson said of setting the record. "I thought after we had a really good meet at Saratoga, I might have a shot. It worked out. It was great to have David (Cohen) and Drawing Away Stable involved in this special moment."
With three racing days left in 2013, Drawing Away Stable is the leading owner on the NYRA circuit of Aqueduct, Belmont Park and Saratoga this year with 88 winners, all trained by Jacobson.
The son of the late Howard "Buddy" Jacobson, a five-time leading trainer in New York, Jacobson returned to training in 2007 after a 25-year absence. He won his first meet title at the Big A in the spring of 2011, and saddled his first Grade 1 winner that year when Mabou took the New York Turf Writers' Cup at Saratoga. Jacobson added a second Grade 1 victory this year when Strapping Groom won the Forego, also at Saratoga.
"Setting records wasn't a goal when I came back to training; like any other professional sport, I was just trying to win a race at a time," Jacobson said. "Hopefully, we'll keep this going for a long time and break the record next year."
One race before watching his record fall, Contessa sent out the two-year-old colt Uncle Sigh to a 14 1/2-length maiden conquest as the 1-2 favorite. The $270,000 Fasig-Tipton New York-bred yearling pressed the pace in his first route attempt in the 6TH race, took command through a half in :48 2/5 on the fast inner track, and widened his margin. Under Pablo Morales, the son of Indian Charlie negotiated the mile and 70 yards in 1:42 4/5.
Uncle Sigh was just denied by the race-savvy Groupthink in his December 7 premiere sprinting six furlongs in the Aqueduct mud, and the Wounded Warrior Stables runner now has $51,000 in his account. He is out of the Pine Bluff mare Cradlesong, making him a half-brother to stakes scorers Slew by Slew and Percussion, the latter the runner-up in the Brooklyn Handicap earlier this season.
Elsewhere on the Friday card, Mr. and Mrs. William K. Warren Jr.'s Mail dominated the $100,000 Traskwood on the front end, and gave jockey Jose Ortiz his third win on the day. Making his stakes debut in the 1 1/16-mile test, the Chad Brown sophomore got away with slow fractions of :24 2/5, :49 and 1:13 1/5 and kicked 5 1/2 lengths clear. Micromanage, the 9-5 favorite, closed mildly for second, rounding out the exacta for their sire Medaglia d'Oro.
The 2-1 Mail stopped the teletimer in 1:44 4/5, improving his mark to 6-3-1-0, $146,379. The promising bay, who broke his maiden at Monmouth in August, most recently wired an off-the-turf allowance here on November 29. In between, Mail was runner-up to Darley Stable's Long River in an October 25 allowance at Belmont.
A $470,000 Keeneland September purchase as part of the Edward Evans dispersal, the Virginia-bred is out of Grade 2 winner Tap Dance, a half-sister to this year's Carter winner Swagger Jack. Other close relatives include Grade 1 star Malibu Prayer and Spanish/German champion Silverside.
The $98,000 Are We Dreamin was similarly won in front-running fashion by Anthony Bruno and trainer Joe Orseno's Laguna Girl, the longest shot on the board at 10-1. Lunging at the start and thereby breaking on top, the Henny Hughes filly went on to control the pace and held on by a half-length from 6-5 favorite Merry Meadow. Manuel Franco guided Laguna Girl through six furlongs in 1:11 2/5. With this successful stakes debut on her resume, she has earned $173,740 from her 9-2-4-2 line.
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