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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 17:43:30 GMT -5
As per @drfgrening as of 1/1/2014 NYRA will have a new wager offered in every race. It's called OMNI. A 15% takeout, with a $1 minimum.
You pick 2 of the 3 horses to finish in the top 3
I'm really quite surprised all these NY racing fans not one of them has informed us here at Paddock Pros about this new wager.
It will be interesting to see how it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 19:19:50 GMT -5
its the same thing as the EZQ they had at Hollywood about 15 years ago. the worst wager ever created!! it took nyra 15 years to copy this? this is hilarious!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 19:21:15 GMT -5
the average payoff will be about even money with a 15% takeout. yeah that's a great bet for the public.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 19:44:17 GMT -5
Keeneland offered a similar bet about 20 years ago for one meet then dropped it.
It may catch on better than it did at Keeneland or Hollywood Park with the new terminals. Twenty years ago the self service machines were cumbersome and much more difficult to use that those today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 21:48:14 GMT -5
what does that have to do with how the bet will be received? if it is a bad bet it is a bad bet. no one said it failed because of the degree of difficulty there was in placing it. I t will receive less action then the quinella. probably half actually. and pay maybe 1/4th the payout. but you being the chalk loving dog you are will probably jump right for it. good luck with it if you do. can I book your action?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 22:07:42 GMT -5
what does that have to do with how the bet will be received? if it is a bad bet it is a bad bet. no one said it failed because of the degree of difficulty there was in placing it. I t will receive less action then the quinella. probably half actually. and pay maybe 1/4th the payout. but you being the chalk loving dog you are will probably jump right for it. good luck with it if you do. can I book your action? I don't intend on betting it. . there are potential bettors who MAY (not will, it's a new introduction) jump on it. There are BILLIONS of dollars plowed through slot machines in this country every year, you have to agree that that's a bad proposition, too, worse even than betting on horses. If people are willing to piss their money away on slot machines (mostly old ladies and drunks), why not this new NYRA bet? If you were aware, you'd know that NYRA has been handling the "Grand Slam" bet ($13,000 handle today!) for years and California tracks the equally useless "Place Pick All" for years ($19,000 handle of almost $8 MILLION total last Sunday!). Both pathetically low handle. There's a sucker born every day, regardless of the payback, and tracks are trying to get every single penny out of their betting clientele.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 22:30:42 GMT -5
that's the point. its been proven they WONT play the wager. and thos billions of dollars that get played at those slots are doing so with the hopes of winning a JACKPOT type of bet. not getting even money on their pull of the one armed bandit. what I am aware of is this. 13.000 in handle is basically worthless for the amount of technology and space it takes up to unclude the wager on their betting platform. but even if it is, those people that are playing those wagers have the possibility of bigger scores then this idiotic wager. there may be only 19,000 wagered in the pick all, but there is a very good chance of sweeping the pool if you hit it. also some tracks have carryovers in their pick all pools, so it may grow much bigger then that pool. also the pools for those wagers were much higher during del mar and anita.
so you endorse the tracks trying to take advantage of the SUCKER with this new wager? aren't you the one who said you dispise anyone who tries to take advantage of others in another thread?
just saying...............
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Post by Evelyn on Dec 19, 2013 23:22:44 GMT -5
Wiz - How can you possibly equate tracks offering bets to gamblers to what Cash Call does?
I haven't found any official announcement of this bet. DRF is way behind LOL Jerry Bossert reported this on twitter days ago:
Jerry Bossert þ@JBossertNYDN 15 Dec NYRA will offer a new bet The Omni beginning Jan 1. You have to selected two horses to finish in the top three to win. 15% takeout $1 min
It's mentioned on other blogs but nada from the NYRA. Sounds like a bad bet that won't reap in big bucks, but then when you non racing experienced or knowledgeable people running a racing organization, can't expect much! Sounds like a bet Kay and Cuomo might spend dollar on!
I wouldn't be surprised if these non geniuses leaked the info to get feedback before they officially add to the proof that they are idiots
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 1:42:11 GMT -5
im not saying IT is the same. just this supposed angels way of thinking. one second he thinks everyone should be looking out for one another and singing kum by yah by the fireside and the next he thinks its ok for tracks to try to get every dollar they can from every SUCKER that walks through the turn style. if your going to preach about looking out for the suckers one second, then practice it the next.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 7:18:12 GMT -5
George: I find your comments about people who play slots totally racially insensitive and disgusting. "old ladies and drunks" Pres what does that have to do with how the bet will be received? if it is a bad bet it is a bad bet. no one said it failed because of the degree of difficulty there was in placing it. I t will receive less action then the quinella. probably half actually. and pay maybe 1/4th the payout. but you being the chalk loving dog you are will probably jump right for it. good luck with it if you do. can I book your action? I don't intend on betting it. there are potential bettors who MAY (not will, it's a new introduction) jump on it. There are BILLIONS of dollars plowed through slot machines in this country every year, you have to agree that that's a bad proposition, too, worse even than betting on horses. If people are willing to piss their money away on slot machines (mostly old ladies and drunks), why not this new NYRA bet? If you were aware, you'd know that NYRA has been handling the "Grand Slam" bet ($13,000 handle today!) for years and California tracks the equally useless "Place Pick All" for years ($19,000 handle of almost $8 MILLION total last Sunday!). Both pathetically low handle. There's a sucker born every day, regardless of the payback, and tracks are trying to get every single penny out of their betting clientele.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 7:42:13 GMT -5
im not saying IT is the same. just this supposed angels way of thinking. one second he thinks everyone should be looking out for one another and singing kum by yah by the fireside and the next he thinks its ok for tracks to try to get every dollar they can from every SUCKER that walks through the turn style. if your going to preach about looking out for the suckers one second, then practice it the next. The difference is that Reddam and Lerner, since you brought this into the discussion, took advantage of their customers by breaking the law.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 8:16:17 GMT -5
Hey George: Why did you bring up Lerner-Reddam in this thread?? About your bigoted comments they are truly very insensitive. "old ladies and drunks" not even I talk like that.. Pres im not saying IT is the same. just this supposed angels way of thinking. one second he thinks everyone should be looking out for one another and singing kum by yah by the fireside and the next he thinks its ok for tracks to try to get every dollar they can from every SUCKER that walks through the turn style. if your going to preach about looking out for the suckers one second, then practice it the next. The difference is that Reddam and Lerner, since you brought this into the discussion, took advantage of their customers by breaking the law.
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Post by Evelyn on Dec 20, 2013 8:25:48 GMT -5
Enough!
If you have a personal question for a member, PM them, Do NOT use public threads for Grandstanding. If you find a thread "insensitive", report it. Or better yet, ignore it.
FTR - Wiz brought up the other thread, I responded, then George did.
Any more of the off topic crap will be deleted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 13:44:04 GMT -5
As per @drfgrening and Steve Byk this wager will be slightly delayed...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 14:51:05 GMT -5
if they put any thought onto this, they will never even bother with it.
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Post by Evelyn on Dec 21, 2013 14:52:37 GMT -5
Spent the morning with RG - We were talking about racing at lunch and she mentioned that the OMNI bet was available on Arc day. She's right! NYRA took OMNI bets. So did Xpressbet. That's probably where the "brains" (well - "noracingbrains") got the idea!
From the NYRA site 10/4: This weekend, New York racing fans at Aqueduct Racetrack, Belmont Park and those using NYRA Rewards will be able to watch and wager on racing at Longchamp, including Sunday’s Group 1 Qatar Prix de L’Arc de Triomphe.
On Saturday, October 6, and Sunday, October 7, Win and Place (which is international Place and Show) wagers will be offered, along with Quinella (first two finishers in any order), Omni-Swinger (two of the first three finishers in any order), Exacta (first two finishers in exact order) and Trifecta (first three finishers in exact order) wagers. Win and Place wagers have a $2 minimum; all other wagers have a $1 minimum. For the first time, North American bettors will be able to bet directly into Pari Mutuel Urbain (PMU) pools. PMU wagering rules will apply.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 15:10:12 GMT -5
Evelyn, I'd be curious about the size of the pool on the bet - both here and in Europe.
Decades ago in France the most popular bet was one that no one here in the US had ever heard about - the "tierce". The pools dwarfed all the other pools over there, it almost became like a national lottery bet.
People scoffed at the bet, and said it would never catch on over here. Roosevelt Raceway was the first to introduce it as the "Big Triple". Even back then, when 15,000 people went to RR during the week and over 20,000 on Saturday nights, they only had three "Big Triple" windows open. It took a year or more for the bet to catch on.
Now the Trifecta is among the highest handled bet at most tracks.
Who knows, if they persist with this bet, it might become popular too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 2:26:51 GMT -5
George once again the reason the trifecta caught on and became popuilar was become it was a catastrophic leap forward in the wagers available allowing the bettor to make a big profit for a small wager. this is a step backward. the wagers never pay anything. I believe the entire time Hollywood offered this bet, I only saw a payoff that required the irs window once or twice. and that was when it basically came 50-1 shots in all three spots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 9:42:44 GMT -5
I guess we'll have to see. I prefer waiting for something to fail before declaring it a failure.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 10:01:14 GMT -5
I just wish I was allowed to say what just crossed my mind ....
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