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Post by Evelyn on Nov 29, 2013 18:23:35 GMT -5
I think he's a finalist! That nose is the BC may have cost him HOY but he certainly came into his own the last half of the year. He beat them all! I'm not sure Wise Dan deserves the honor 2 years in a row.
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Post by byanose13 on Nov 29, 2013 18:48:21 GMT -5
I really would have to think about giving it to him he has really come on BUT I think the TC races will be his undoing and it will cost him HOY.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 19:24:04 GMT -5
I really would have to think about giving it to him he has really come on BUT I think the TC races will be his undoing and it will cost him HOY. YOU CANT HOLD THE TC RACES AGAINST HIM BECAUSE HE DID COMEBACK TO VINDICATE HIMSELF BY DEFEATING THOSE HORSES, WD CANT BE HOTY BECUSE HE IS SIMPLY THE BETTER OF BAD HORSES ON THE TURF AND AT A MILE, HE DIDNT WIN ANY OF THE BIG TURF RACES
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 19:44:54 GMT -5
I think zenyatta should get it. she didn't lose a race all year!!
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Post by byanose13 on Nov 29, 2013 20:49:50 GMT -5
KK Wise Dan didn't stink up the place in ANY of his races like WTC did in the TC races . He did come back as I stated in my previous post and he probably gained a few votes but as I stated The TC races might very well be what costs him HOY. I guess the BC Mile isn't a big turf race?!
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Post by cait on Nov 29, 2013 21:33:13 GMT -5
dan had too many "soft" races - who will the 3 finalists be? dan, wtc and..........................surely not dude? talk about "soft races"!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 21:54:47 GMT -5
nose you don't want to open that can of worms with her highness, now do you?
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Post by byanose13 on Nov 29, 2013 22:44:02 GMT -5
Wiz I just get tired of the Bulls$@t that he puts out. The BC Mile was a "top Turf" race when Goldikova was winning it but now its a "bum" race. 5 G1 Wins including the BC Mile and he is a bum. If he hates American turf racing so much why does he even post about it. Having an opinion about WD vs others is fine but don't talk out of both sides of your mouth. Then again I would guess that Goldi was their second string or "B" horse I would guess would be the response I would get to the question on the BC Mile.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 23:07:46 GMT -5
lolololol nose you are my new best friend!!! did you copy and paste my last 25 responses to this guy?
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Post by shooter29 on Nov 30, 2013 1:26:53 GMT -5
Such a shame that WTC literally came within an inch of winning HOTY had he only won the BC Classic. Along with his wins in the Travers, PA Derby and now the Clark would have been more than enough to swing the vote in what was overall yet another "down year" in American Racing with no real standout in either the 3YO Division or the Handicap Division.
I'm no huge fan of Wise Dan as HOTY for the second year in a row nor was I the first time around. But where else is there to go? I can understand KK's views on Dan as well. This year's BC Mile was not exactly stellar compared to last year's edition and the rest of his year while he was brilliant in his victories, I think racing in G2 and G3 company is beneath a reigning HOTY and I would have liked to see him put to the test more in tougher races.
But hey....whatevs right?
Dan will be HOTY once again and deservedly so with WTC and Dude as finalists.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 7:26:37 GMT -5
WTC should be Horse of the Year... He was a wisker from winning the BC Classic. Wise Dan is CRAP and beat up tired old Horses.
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Post by byanose13 on Nov 30, 2013 7:55:04 GMT -5
Before I start I want to say that I think WTC is a really good horse and I was rooting for him in the Clark with that being said here it is
WILL TAKE CHARGE 6 G1 Starts 2-1-0 8th in KY Derby,7 Preakness, 10 in Belmont 3 G2 starts 2-1-0 1 G3 Start 0-0-1
WISE DAN 5 G1 Starts 4-1-0 2nd in Shadwell(taken OFF turf run @ 1 1/16) 2 G2 Starts 2-0-0 Wise Dan Did not run in any G3 OR Ungraded Stakes in 2013
You cannot hold it against either horse of who showed up to run against them and comparing a Dirt horse to a Turf horse is kind of hard BUT Wise Dan did WIN the Clark in 2011
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 13:12:59 GMT -5
KK Wise Dan didn't stink up the place in ANY of his races like WTC did in the TC races . He did come back as I stated in my previous post and he probably gained a few votes but as I stated The TC races might very well be what costs him HOY. I guess the BC Mile isn't a big turf race?! THE RICHEST TURF RACE IN AMERICA IS THE BC TURF WD NEVER RAN IN THAT, THE BIGGEST TURF RACE IN AMERICA IS THE ARLINGTON MILLION HE NEVER RAN IN THAT. THE BEST HORSE HE BEAT ALL YEAR WAS OLYMPIC GLORY A C STRING EURO, THAT MAKES HIM HOTY IN YOUR BOOK ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 13:15:08 GMT -5
Wiz I just get tired of the Bulls$@t that he puts out. The BC Mile was a "top Turf" race when Goldikova was winning it but now its a "bum" race. 5 G1 Wins including the BC Mile and he is a bum. If he hates American turf racing so much why does he even post about it. Having an opinion about WD vs others is fine but don't talk out of both sides of your mouth. Then again I would guess that Goldi was their second string or "B" horse I would guess would be the response I would get to the question on the BC Mile. I WASNT EVEN POSTING ON BORDS WHEN GOLDIKOVA WAS RUNNING SO I DONT KNOW WHAT THE F* YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. SHE WAS A GOOD HORSE BUT CANFORD CLIFFS DESTROYED HER AND SHE RAN IN AMERICA WHERE THE COMPETITION IS SOFT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 13:23:35 GMT -5
I PUT THIS UP ON ANOTHER SITE AND I WILL REPOST IT HERE
LETS GO OVER A FEW OF THIS HORSES VICTIMS IN HIS PAST FEW RACES
G1.TRAVERS MORENO-(G2,DWYER WINNER) ORB-(G1 KYD WINNER,G1 FLA DERBY WINNER,G2 FOY WINNER) PALACE MALICE-(G2 JIM DANDY WINNER,G1 BELMONT WINNER) WAR DANCE-(G2, VAD WINNER) VERRAZANO-(G1 HASKELL WINNER,G1 WOOD MEM. WINNER)
G2 PA DERBY MORENO-(G2,DWYER WINNER) JAVAS WAR- (G1 BLUE GRASS WINNER)
G1 BREEDERS CUP CLASSIC 2ND TO 2 TIME G1 WINNER MUCHO MACHO MAN
G1 CLARK HCP. GAME ON DUDE-(7 TIME G1 WINNER) BOURBON COURAGE(G2-SUPER DERRBY WINNER) GOLDEN TICKET-(G1 TRAVERS WINNER) PREYER FOR RELIEF-(G2 SUPER DERBY WINNER, G2 VA.DERBY WINNER)
IN HIS PAST 3 RACES HE HAS DEFEATED HORSES WHO ACCOUNT FOR 14 G1 VICTORIES AND 8 G2 VICTORIES WISE DAN HANST FACED THAT LEVEL OF COMPETITION, THIS IS HORSE RACING ITS ALL ABOUT WHO YOU BEAT. NOT HOW FAST YOU ARE OR HOW MUCH PEOPLE LIKE YOU
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Post by Evelyn on Nov 30, 2013 13:32:18 GMT -5
WTC really had a terrible Derby trip. Too many horses in the Derby and I think it needs fewer. He'a huge horse and had to grow into himself. The second half of the year he faced the best and beat them.
Wise Dan ran in safe spots. I don't blame them for bringing home the money but that doesn't make him a HOY. The grading system means nothing any more IMO. I like Dan a lot but I don't think he should be a 2 time HOY.
You can't really compare Dan to Goldi because she ran against much better horses.This year it seemed no one at the high levels wanted to take on Dan.
I like Dan but I don't think he deserves HOY 2 years in a row.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 14:16:00 GMT -5
maybe not ev, but I don't see how you can give it to a 3 yr. old. who won none of the tc races and didn't win a bc race. there is no arguing that at years end WTC was the best 3 yr. old running, but that doesn't make him hoty. he also lost more races then he won. even though he was handicapped by a subpar trainer, I always liked him from the start much more then oxbow and he proved he was the better of the two. however, hoty? I don't think so.
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Post by byanose13 on Nov 30, 2013 14:34:36 GMT -5
KK how many horses pass up the Arc every year? I can think of 1!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 15:08:12 GMT -5
KK how many horses pass up the Arc every year? I can think of 1!!! OH OK SO GOING THE FRANKEL ROUTE ? LETS SEE WHAT COUNTRY WAS HE RUNNING IN FRANCE OR ENGLAND ? LAST I CHECKED IT WAS ENGLAND AND HE RAN AND WON ENGLAND'S PREMIER CHAMPION RACE WISE DAN CANT SAY THE SAME
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 15:11:25 GMT -5
AND LETS BE CLEAR WISE DAN IS NO FRANKEL
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