qhwizard
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aqueduct sucks, belmont sucks, saratoga sucks, and everything in MD. sucks. wespecially timonium!!
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Post by qhwizard on May 28, 2017 22:31:07 GMT -5
just about the only saving grace left for ny racing and the top horses just run away from it unless there is a triple crown on the line. maybe they will get lucky and sonneteer will come back off 2 weeks rest and ship there for it. he just came out of the derby to run 4th in a maiden race at anita. he should fit right in with the new York 3 year olds.
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Post by george on May 29, 2017 9:12:44 GMT -5
just about the only saving grace left for ny racing and the top horses just run away from it unless there is a triple crown on the line. maybe they will get lucky and sonneteer will come back off 2 weeks rest and ship there for it. he just came out of the derby to run 4th in a maiden race at anita. he should fit right in with the new York 3 year olds. Yet NY handle continues to rise and one of California's Kentucky Derby representatives still can't win a maiden race. |
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on May 29, 2017 16:00:48 GMT -5
all I can say to that is no one was more harsh on the ca. contingent this year then me. it was an off year. but theres a big diffence between an off year and an off decade. hell even century!! when was the last time a wood winner or a ny bred or regularly raced was relevant in the TC races? no one want to race there with any real horses. the purses are monstrous so that cant be the excuse. are the trainers that bad? are the people just that unlikeable that no one wants to go there with real horses? I honestly don't know the answer. all I know is the numbers don't lie. the horses stink when it comes to the tc trail.
as far as the handle goes? never said they don't bet the product. I think its more out of familiarity then anything else. same goes for ca. as far as the handle goes. the only difference is though that ca. consistently has better horses when it comes to dirt racing and young horses.
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Post by george on May 29, 2017 18:22:28 GMT -5
I had a similar discussion elsewhere about a month ago.
Looking at the details, people are surprised to find out that since 1990 there has only been one Wood Memorial winner who won the Kentucky Derby (Fusaichi Pegasus), but only two Santa Anita Derby winners who won the Kentucky Derby (I'll Have Another and California Chrome), and two who have won the Arkansas Derby. On the other hand there have been 8 winners of the Florida Derby who have won the Kentucky Derby since then, including this year's winner.
Also, there have been one NY bred and one California bred winner since then (Funny Cide and California Chrome).
Things have evolved over the years with the concentration of winter racing in Florida and California. And with the schedule changes in New York in addition to that horrible inner dirt track, trainers don't spend the early spring in New York anymore. But then again they don't spend their early springs in California, either. Most of the better 3-year olds wind up in Florida or Oaklawn Park. But once June rolls around many of the better trainers head up to the northeast, particularly those with good turf horses.
Overall the whole schedule has changed, not just for 3-year olds, further screwing up where trainers send their horses. Years ago trainers didn't consider sending their horses to Dubai in March, and we didn't have that idiotic $12 million race in January (a ridiculous time to run a big race). Plus every major race track spaced out their stakes races instead of clumping them into "big" days. Look at today - the Metropolitan Handicap used to be the traditional Memorial Day stakes race at Belmont Park, now it's run on the same day as the Belmont and they run a series of NYB stakes on Memorial Day.
It's a whole new world out there now.
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qhwizard
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Post by qhwizard on May 29, 2017 18:43:35 GMT -5
well I wasn't going back 27 years. I'm talking the last 5-10 years and especially the last 5. I understand it has changed. that's why going back more then say 10 years doesn't really matter. also, as I said, I'm talking about where horses did the majority of their racing and were based. there have been a lot of winners in recent years who shipped out of ca. also to win their last prep before the derby. the horses shipping out of ny have basically done nothing in other preps as well as in the derby.
I will give ny credit for one thing and one thing only. 3 year olds and older male turf racing.
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Post by george on May 29, 2017 20:15:33 GMT -5
You can't take such a small sampling and make a reasonable judgement. One could have said back in 1973 that only Meadow Stable, Lucien Lauren, and Ron Turcotte could ever win the Kentucky Derby based on the last two years' results - Riva Ridge and Secretariat won those two years.
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