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Post by cait on Aug 28, 2016 10:24:29 GMT -5
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Post by qhwizard on Aug 28, 2016 15:22:18 GMT -5
that comment makes no sense. there was a rabbit in the race. that's what set up his closing kick, plus from what I hear as I missed the race because I was in the restroom, the rabbit also interfered with others to help flintshire.
I told everyone 2 years ago this was a damn good horse so I'm not arguing that, but what does the rabbit have to do with anything? is that some sort of a hater comment towards horses that win on the front end? its a hell of a lot more difficult for horses to cut out all the fractions and do all the work and still win then it is to sit back and let the race fall apart in front of you and then just pick up the pieces. like I said, I like flintshire but to say that was the most impressive race of the day is ludicrous and once again just shows your bias.
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Post by cait on Sept 1, 2016 16:30:49 GMT -5
actually, I was speaking in general terms, not specific to this race - the best horse won this race
and I think, generally, not "technically", come from behind winners are more exciting for fans to watch - the Pac Classic was a snorefest - worse then a harness race! has not a damned thing to do with "bias" or "hater" but everything I say is apparently biased for wiz - wake up - all opinions are BIASED - even yours lol
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Post by qhwizard on Sept 1, 2016 20:13:14 GMT -5
who brought up the pacific classic? this race was run on the same day as the travers, not the pacific classic? are you eating the pot brownies again? you must be high.
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Post by Jon on Sept 3, 2016 0:06:59 GMT -5
Anyone else find these rules confusing? Don't think the stewards were wrong. Yeah, they bumped but Roman Appeal going nowhere at that point. Gryder a "dirty" rider? Hard to believe. Agree best horse won.
Gaming Commission: Sword Dancer Decision ‘Not Appealable’
Paulick
Kirk Wycoff of Three Diamonds Farm filed an appeal with the New York State Gaming Commission after stewards at Saratoga made no change to the order of finish in a controversial running of the G1 Sword Dancer on Saturday. According to bloodhorse.com, the commission will not hear the appeal, because “New York courts have long held that stewards' placement decisions are questions of fact that cannot be appealed.”
During the running of the the race, Inordinate came off the rail nearing the top of the stretch as his stablemate Flintshire was just behind him searching for running room. At the same time, Inordinate bumped with Three Diamonds' Roman Approval. Inordinate finished fifth, ahead of Roman Approval in sixth, causing trainer Mike Maker to file an objection. The stewards made no change, leading to Wycoff's appeal.
An email sent to Wycoff from the NYSGC stated that “this placement decision was a judgment call, which the stewards are empowered to make under Commission Rule 4039.20 and is therefore not appealable under Rule 4039.5.”
Rule 4039.20 reads: “The stewards are vested with the power to determine the extent of disqualification in case of fouls. The stewards may place the offending horse behind such horses as, in the stewards' judgment, the offending horse interfered with, or the stewards may place the offending horse last, and the stewards may disqualify the offending horse from participation in any part of the purse.”
Rule 4039.5 reads: “Every objection shall be decided by the stewards, but their decision shall be subject to appeal in writing to the commission so far as relates to points involving the interpretation of this article or to any question other than a question of fact.”
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Post by qhwizard on Sept 3, 2016 14:49:20 GMT -5
ny racing and rules. what do you expect?
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Post by cait on Sept 3, 2016 15:27:26 GMT -5
thread wasn't about the travers - the pac classic was an example of a front running boring race - which was being discussed in the thread - geeeesh!
yeah - don't think the whiner's horse was going anywhere either - the outside horse might have bothered him also - he was the middle of the sandwich
they can always go to court - maybe traffic court? lol
here's a ? - had he been dq'ed would his stablemate (flintshire) be automatically dq'ed also? they didn't run as an entry so i don't think so
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Post by qhwizard on Sept 3, 2016 17:20:48 GMT -5
think his win was the best of the day - what heart!! so much more exciting for fans than a rabbit lol
anyone else read this and tell me it doesn't sound like you are comparing the race to other races on that day!!
you are just speed hating, east coast lover of plodders, that's all. because of the fact that ca. tracks, the evil demigods of horse racing, are usually speed favoring tracks, you take it upon yourself to hate all speed and front runner types. it gets old listening to someone repeat the same crap over and over. you never change.
and before you come back with your rehashed response of I am just as biased, realize this. I have been a frosted fan since before the derby. but he is no better then, if as good as, the horses on the west coast. i am a huge fan of flintshire who has never raced on the west coast. i thgink javier castellano is clearly the best jockey in the country and has been for the last 3 or 4 years. there are plenty of things that i like about racing in all parts of the country and i very rarely bet on anything in ca. i see things with an open mind. you on the other hand have an automatic knee jerk reaction to hate anything that is even remotely associated with ca. or ca. racing, and cant even give props to even the most obvious of things. do you still think that ca. hasnt dominated the tc and 3 yr. old division for the last 5 yrs. now?
the answer to your question is no. he would not have been dq'd.
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Post by Jon on Sept 3, 2016 23:15:35 GMT -5
CC and Wiz - actually the stewards could have DQ'ed Flintshire
from original Blood Horse article
Should the appeal be successful, it potentially could impact the victory by Flintshire under New York racing rules that say, "If any horses trained by the same trainer race uncoupled in any race, and one or more of them shall be disqualified for violation of the rules of racing, any other horses entered by that same trainer shall also be disqualified if in the judgment of the stewards such violation prevented any other horse or horses from finishing ahead of the other part of the entry. If said violation is without such effect upon the finish of the race, penalty therefore may be applied against the offender only."
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Post by Jon on Sept 3, 2016 23:21:00 GMT -5
Wiz - sorry man but didn't think she was talking about any other races on that card - just a general comment
Also don't think your "open mind" applies to CC - Ev's always sayin' how you just attack anything she posts - well - yeah LOL
Hate the East/West crap - everyone knows racing is better in the East LOL
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Post by qhwizard on Sept 4, 2016 6:08:57 GMT -5
well if anything she said made sense I wouldn't have to.
the day I signed back up and before I ever made a post I read something either ev or cait posted and it started like this................." not that I'm trying to be biased, but...................".
well when you have to start a post with that sentence, you and everyone e;se already knows you are biased.
yeah the east is better then then the west alright................... when it comes to bloated purses and shit racing,
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Post by Evelyn on Sept 4, 2016 13:16:45 GMT -5
I think he could have been DQ'd as Gryder clearly looks over his shoulder to see his stablemate. But then the steward's would have had to DQ Flintshire and they didn't want to do that.
Jon was kidding but he's right. The fields at Delmar have been dismal. not to mention the condition of the tracks. It's good CA horses are shipping East as it makes the racing better. As to bloated purses - who cares? As you always say about the use of drugs - it's the way it is so deal with it!
Everyone can have their favorites and opinions. That doesn't mean if they aren't the same as yours, they are wrong. And yes Wiz - you too. Your constant defense of CA racing reads as "bias".
It may have been me who said what you claim - am not bothering to look it up. Some of us can admit6 our bias. But if I said that, there was a reason You seem to read certain threads looking for something to hate. And you also presume and presume a lot - and many times your assumptions are wrong. That's my take.
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Post by qhwizard on Sept 4, 2016 15:29:53 GMT -5
exactly what do I defend about ca. racing? I don't even bet it. all I defend on a consistent basis is that it is better to have speed ANYWHERE then be a closer. speed is the most important aspect in any horses repertoire and if people cant see that or admit to it then they are blind and know little about the game. period.
I also don't condone the drug use, but until they figure out a way to get rid of it completely, then everyone should be on a level playing field. allow it all!!
hey if new York wants to give away shitloads of money to crappy horses who also breakdown just as much as the ones in ca. then go ahead. but just remember, money doesn't buy class or good racing. when you have horses like samraat running in grade 1 races 2 years after he was relevant, you know your horses suck.
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Post by lt1 on Sept 5, 2016 9:03:11 GMT -5
The stewards had the option to dq the rabbit and still leave the winner up or dq it also. This what is wrong with racing there is no consistency to rulings. I hate the one where they use their judgement if a horse was cost a placing or not. Total bs. They need to write rules in plain language and there should be no room for subjective rulings. A foul is a foul and the horse shall be dqed period. None of this bs about not costing a placing crap. It's as bad as the NFL with their definition of a catch. I was a football official for 30 yrs and everytime I hear these explanations I feel like I never saw a football game in my life. Whatever happen to the KISS theory of doing things.
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Post by qhwizard on Sept 5, 2016 22:15:02 GMT -5
I agree. the stewards having the OPTION of doing what they want is a joke. their opinions and judgements are not what is needed to enforce the rules. if you see a foul. it is a foul!!
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Post by lt1 on Sept 7, 2016 21:30:48 GMT -5
All they need to is change the words may be dqed to shall be dqed. Like the BC classic where Bayern wiped out 3 horses and the stewards agree he interfered but didn't cost anyone a placing. Pure bs he interfered that's it down you come case closed. And for the record I had a win bet on him but that call gave racing a black eye. Folks who were watching with me[not regular players] wanted to know what kind of call was that. All I could do was shake my head and laugh. Needless to say no new fans were made that day.
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Post by qhwizard on Sept 8, 2016 8:11:17 GMT -5
well I think the best horse that day won the race, but if anyone had a gripe it would have been shared belief, certainly not the runner up or 3rd horse, so I'm glad he didn't come down. but I do agree, if the rules were set in stone, he would have come down and I would not have agued it.
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