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Post by cait on Oct 10, 2015 12:51:19 GMT -5
ridiculous to use a tragedy to trash a trainer you don't like - are sharp and motion also to be blamed? Brueggemann's fault that work all week retired because of a stress fracture? of course not! it does raise some concerns about the track despite the pc bs that's being spewed by the track personnel
where were these sort of posts when 7 horses died within a year because of bad med usage? now that behavior is definitely the trainer's fault
ftr - am not a big pletcher fan but the opening post is just trash
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Post by cait on Oct 10, 2015 12:53:53 GMT -5
Rock Fall Euthanized After Keeneland Work
By Ron Mitchell
Bloodhorse
Stonestreet Stables' Rock Fall, a two-time grade I winner among the favorites for the Oct. 31 TwinSpires Breeders' Cup Sprint (gr. I), broke down just past the wire and was euthanized following a workout at Keeneland Oct. 10.
The 4-year-old Speightstown colt trained by Todd Pletcher had just completed a workout in company when he broke down in front of the grandstand.
State veterinarian Dr. Will Farmer said it appeared Rock Fall was injured as he was pulling up following the breeze and suffered damage to both front limbs.
Bred in Kentucky by SF Bloodstock and a $250,000 purchase at the Fasig-Tipton Sarataga select yearling sale, Rock Fall had won seven races in a row, including the A. G. Vanderbilt and Vosburgh, both grade I, after finishing eighth in his career debut. He had earned $749,180. It had been announced earlier this month that Rock Fall was scheduled to stand at stud alongside his sire at WinStar Farm upon completion of his career.
"We are heartbroken to confirm our Rock Fall sustained a life-ending training injury this morning at Keeneland," Barbara Banke's Stonestreet said via Twitter.
Rock Fall is the third horse to suffer a catastrophic injury during the 2015 fall meet while racing or training over the main track at Keeneland, which will host the Breeders' Cup World Championships Oct. 30-31. Shore Runner (racing) and Tacticus (training) were the other two injured on the main track, while Skyring's breakdown on the turf brings the fatality total for the 2015 fall meet to four.
Farmer said the state veterinarian's office at this time has no concerns about the condition of the Keeneland track surface, noting that he has heard no complaints from trainers and that the races and race times have not indicated any issues."We have great faith in all our people who work on the track. We employ state of the art technology. And we are ill about it but we're going to continue to monitor and continue to look at everything possible—more than once, because safety is our commitment. But the horsemen and jockeys I've talked to have all expressed great confidence in our surface, to be honest with you."
Rogers Beasley, vice president of racing, said Keeneland remains committed to safety.
"We have our surface always tested before every race meet by Mick Peterson and his group, and we always have for years," he said. "We talk to our horsemen, trainers, and jockeys all the time. They have all expressed complete confidence in our surface. The safety of our horses our riders always remains our top priority. While we're extremely saddened by this, we continually remain vigilant and do our work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 13:43:47 GMT -5
ridiculous to use a tragedy to trash a trainer you don't like - are sharp and motion also to be blamed? Brueggemann's fault that work all week retired because of a stress fracture? of course not! it does raise some concerns about the track despite the pc bs that's being spewed by the track personnel where were these sort of posts when 7 horses died within a year because of bad med usage? now that behavior is definitely the trainer's fault ftr - am not a big pletcher fan but the opening post is just trash so when should you trash him? i see you dont have a problem bringing up the same old response and example you use EVERYTIME from 3 or 4 years ago though. and yes it is his fault when it keeps happening on a regular occurrance. i only post these when it happens, so if you think im beating a dead horse ( oooh boy, did i say that?) then it must be happening quite often. |
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Post by cait on Oct 10, 2015 17:35:58 GMT -5
it's quite simple- overdoses of meds not researched is clearly a trainer's fault - breakdowns are a part of the game - ugly but true (skinny legs being bred for speed doesn't help) are usually not (unless a horse has been overworked like skyring or overdosed with pain med)trainers that have the most horses are probably going to have more breakdowns - and some tracks make this info available - cali does not except once a year on the jc site - most tracks don't make available stats for workouts - there wouldn't have been a been a news story if this had been a day to day 10K claimer
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 19:56:07 GMT -5
none of what your saying has anything to do with the point. just more double talk from the queen of it. you have one set of rules or ways you look at ca. and a completely different one for the rest of the country. no one is arguing, not even me, that the dug overdoses were bobs fault. but it was a mistake and it is way past over. get over it and stop using that as an excuse to spew your hatred towards him and the rest of ca. racing. both before and after that time frame, his number of breakdowns or deaths pales in comparison %wise to both lukas and pletcher. but you want to keep harping on one 17 month period in a 25 year career.
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Post by cait on Oct 11, 2015 9:58:32 GMT -5
wrong - again - for the last time - do not hate cali racing - don't bet it because it's simply not very good racing except on big days - hell - when was the last time you bet sa? don't "hate" baffert - never met him - but do think he's a BAD trainer who ruins young horses - yeah they win sometimes but are used up way too young - it's one reason am p is a horse I like - he has survived and won a tc - he could be a great - with a different group of connections - also - many issues such as the "virus" that seemed to hit every horse in his barn and almost killed paynter - who knows what that really was? for me, good trainers don't use unresearched drugs to "get an edge" and know how to age with a horse, when to take a break and bring back a horse or not
a mistake? no - it was intentional and after the first heart attack death, a decent trainer would have thought that maybe it was the drug - it takes balls to tell an owner their horse isn't very good and not dope it up to try to make it into a racehorse or that it's not graded quality - don't care if it's a 100 yr career, being in the top 5 for drug violations year after year does not make a good trainer - suspect it's why he stays in cali rather than go where the $ is (he is a $ trainer, not a horseman) - if pletcher had done same, you'd be relentless - but your love for lukas jr is your thing - and the public doesn't know how many were hurt or lost during workouts because cali has no transparency - they need horses so cover up - and he trains exactly like coach did - both are 1/4's trainers at heart and got into thoros strictly for the $ - at least lukas shows up early every day and personally checks on his horses and is there for workouts
interesting how you ig most of what's said and just revert to your same old uneducated accusations - give it a rest as it's old or just save one post and copy and paste lol -
as granny would say you are the pot calling the kettle black!
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