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Post by cait on Sept 27, 2015 13:37:23 GMT -5
no surprise - never a great - just a speedball who got an early Christmas present last year lol
Bayern Retired From Racing
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Breeders’ Cup Classic winner Bayern has been retired after a third-place finish in the G1 Awesome Again Stakes Saturday.
Owner Kaleem Shah told the Daily Racing Form’s Jay Privman that “Bayern has given my family memories of a lifetime and I am grateful for that.” The son of Oflee Wild out of the Thunder Gulch mare Alittlebitearly is set to stand at Hill ‘n’ Dale for the 2016 season.
In a career that began in January of his 3-year-old season, the Bob Baffert-trained Bayern won six of 15 starts and earned $4,454,930. He won two Grade 1 races in 2014 – the Classic and the William Hill Haskell Invitational – as well as the G2 Woody Stephens and G2 Pennsylvania Derby.
This year, Bayern went winless in five starts, with third-place finishes in the G2 San Diego Handicap and the Awesome Again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 19:47:10 GMT -5
thats the beauty of horse racing................even s get an opinion.
if he could only be as good as bens cat or crap daddy, im sure all of their prayers would have been answered.
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Post by Jon on Sept 28, 2015 1:26:13 GMT -5
C'mon Wiz - Baffert never gets his top 3 yr olds further than 3 - He wears them out! And last year's no DQ WAS a damned gift. Bayern won on the front end only - typical Baffert.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 1:39:34 GMT -5
JC* the biased shit gets old in here. what the F* does it matter whether they win on the front end or from 20 off the pace? they win. that is the point.and he won at every distance they threw at him so stop with the bullshit about him being a sprinter. also his 3 year olds arent all broke down by the end of the year even if they dont race at 4 or older. if they are worth more at stud is that his fault? your boy pletcher is the king of breakdowns at 3. he learned from the worst ever. was silver charm a speedball sprinter? was point given? cavonier? speed is what wins race, and not only on the west coast. its too bad you and the rest of the peanut gallery still havent figured that out yet.
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Post by cait on Sept 28, 2015 16:04:58 GMT -5
2 things - 1. a "front runner" is not the same as a sprinter - 2. bias works both ways
despite his quarterhorse type trainer, i really like am ph and am glad he is going to stud - would not like to see a tc champ embarrassed as a 4 yr old lol
as to the following, when the hell did Bayern face the "best sprinters"? never! and the only reason he "carried his speed in the bcc" is because he wiped out half the field at the start
Breeders' Cup Classic Winner Bayern Retired
By Ron Mitchell
Bloodhorse
Kaleem Shah's Bayern, winner of the 2014 Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I), has officially been retired following his third-place finish as the 6-5 favorite in the Awesome Again Stakes (gr. I) Sept. 26 at Santa Anita Park.
As previously announced, the 4-year-old colt will enter stud next year at John Sikura's Hill 'n' Dale Farm near Lexington. The Sept. 28 announcement came a day after trainer Bob Baffert said the future status of the son of Offlee Wild —Alittlebitearly, by Thunder Gulch, was being evaluated.
Bayern has a 6-1-3 record from 15 career starts that include wins in the 2014 William Hill Haskell Invitational (gr. I), Pennsylvania Derby (gr. II), and Woody Stephens Stakes (gr. II) for earnings of more than $4.4 million.Bred in Kentucky by Helen Alexander, Bayern was purchased for $320,000 at the 2013 Fasig-Tipton Midlantic May 2-year-olds in training sale.
Bayern's Classic victory was one of the most controversial in recent U.S. racing history. Ridden by Martin Garcia, Bayern veered into Shared Belief shortly after the start of the $5 million race and led throughout, holding on to outlast Toast of New York, who also cut in leaving the gate, and California Chrome in a thrilling stretch duel. Stewards determined the early contact did not influence the outcome of the 1 1/4-mile race.
"Bayern was a super talented horse. He had tremendous speed and carried that speed to win the Breeder's Cup Classic over a very good field and won the Woody Stephens wrapped up in near track record time," Baffert said in a statement. "He is a great looking horse and a rarity in that he could beat the best sprinters and carry his speed a mile and a quarter. Not many horses can do that. On his day he was a super brilliant horse. Something was bugging him this year that we could never figure out even though he trained great. It's time to retire the horse and be thankful of all he has accomplished."
"Bayern is a great type, medium sized, beautifully balanced very powerful," said Donato Lanni, who selected Bayern at auction. "His work was fantastic at the Maryland sale and I told Bob we had to buy him. He was our pick of the sale and everyone loved the horse. He cost $320,000 but we were determined to buy him whatever it took."
"I love the brilliance, the physical horse and the fact that he hails from the Courtly Dee pedigree," Sikura said in a release. "His race in the Woody Stephens was breathtaking. I was there and was awed by how fast and easy he won in near track record time. I love deep reproducing pedigrees and I don't think there is a more prolific family in the stud book than Courtly Dee and her daughters. Bayern has all the parts and we can't wait to receive him here at the farm."
"Bayern gave me and my family great joy, I am looking forward to breeding my best mares to him and can't wait to see his foals," said Kaleem Shah. "He gave me the ultimate thrill winning the Breeder's Cup Classic and I hope to win important races with his progeny. I keep my mares at Hill 'n Dale so I will get to visit him regularly."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 17:37:55 GMT -5
your comments continually amaze me, in tht at one time i was foolish enough to think your were semi knowledgable of certain parts of the sport.
yeah would hate for him to end up like ORB, a derby winner if not tc. now that was an embarrassment. who trained him btw?
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Post by cait on Sept 28, 2015 18:55:38 GMT -5
lolol unlike you, am a thoro, not quarters person - so wtf is your problem now? bayern faced the best sprinters? a front runner in a mile or more is a sprinter? btw - no to both
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 20:06:49 GMT -5
he faced the best field of 3 yr old sprinters that year, when he was a 3 yr. old, in the woody stephens and destroyed them. was he supposed to run in the bc sprint also, on the same day he won the classic? wtf do you want from him. this has nothing to do with qh's. and i have been following thoroughbreds a hell of a lot longer then qh's.
go ahead and keep arguing and having your two or three fellow biased compatriots back you up. the rest of the world knows better.
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Post by Evelyn on Sept 28, 2015 21:22:17 GMT -5
Yes - The WS was 7F and a decent field but not the top sprinters such as Private Zone,Palace or the Eclipse Winner Work All Week. He had Eclipse nominations but not for Best Sprinter. I think the WS was the only race under a mile he ever ran? I liked Hopportunity better but neither has done much as a 4 yr old. Sometimes they just don't mature and grow into better racers. I would not call Bayern a "sprinter". He is a front runner. Semantics I guess but really, noting to argue about. And I agree with the majority of turf writers and fans - he should have been DQ'ed in the BCC and probably would have been had the race not been in CA. Wiz- I really hate that you make all the comparisons to other horses and trainers (never any based in CA! YES - bias works both ways!). They are, to me, cheap shots. Don't get mad but I would take Orb over Bayern. That's just my personal thought because there is, for me, life after racing and Orb is beautifully bred. I also prefer outfits that breed their own and are not in the game simply for the money - those that have history in the sport. Unfortunately, not many left. Here's an interesting article about his retirement. cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse-racing-steve-haskin/archive/2013/11/09/why-was-orb-retired.aspxI'm also disappointed you can't accept that sometimes people disagree and if they don't agree with your opinions, you start insulting them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 0:03:05 GMT -5
you know damn well ev every time she gets a chance to bad mouth bob, bayern, or anything related to the west coast, she does it as a potshot at me. but i suppose im the only one doing it, right? go ahead and stick up for each other like you always do. as i said, the majority of people here see the truth.
i never called him a sprinter to begin with. that was you and cait last year when you kept saying he wouldnt stretch out, remember? according to you two, he couldnt win past a mile. wouldnt that make him a sprinter in your eyes? now your arguing the exact opposite?
i said at the time it happened i was surprised he didnt get taken down, but it certainly didnt hurt the chances of any of the other horses who were close to him at the wire anyway. the only one with a gripe should have been shared belief, who i also said all along may have very well been the better of the two anyway. but what happend did not alter the way the race was run or the pace of the race. so if it hadnt happened, maybe shared belief would have run a monster race and won it and bayern would have been second. would he have gotten any respect then? no, of course not. not from the miserable one who has nothing but gripes about anything related to bob. jesus chrtist, get over it already!!
if you would take orb, then it is strictly for personal reasons. btw, what is wrong with bayern's breeding? speaking of horses not making it farther in their careers, how many races did orb win past may of his 3 yr old year? did he even make it to his 4 yr.old year?
i have no problem with people disagreeing, but when one is so clearly doing it for personal reasons with nothing to back it up or any valid points, im going to call them out for it.
lastly, i do compare and bad mouth ca. horses as well. i do it all the time. i look at things with an open mind and look at facts. others cant say the same.
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Post by cait on Sept 29, 2015 12:32:25 GMT -5
LMAO what a friggin' egotist!! nope - certainly do not try to post what will piss off most the totally biased, totally unfair wiz!! everyone has known for years I can't stand baffert as a trainer - hardly a revelation - has nothing to do with mr "I'm always right and if you disagree with me I will call you ugly names" wiz! (btw - no one cares - just makes you look like the baby you can be) your definition of "facts"? it's simply "wiz's OPINIONS"
"open mind"? rich lol
please show where you ever used a cali example to trash another horse? also - post where bayern was referred to as a "sprinter"? "speedball" - "frontrunner" - yes - because like the majority of the quarterhorse trainer's stock, he's a front runner - frontrunners have a huge advantage on tracks favoring speed such as Monmouth but that doesn't make them great or even really good - sure speed does count BUT blazing out of the gate and trying to hold on isn't what THOROS are all about - that's 1/4 horse racing! the greats can both run in front and close - that's why the best jock have clocks in their heads
yes - in am ph's case, he'll be retired for $ but many baffet 3 yr olds are retired due to injury (or weird "viruses" which maybe are the result of drug withdrawal lol)
btw since you're such good buds with bobby, does he try to place those that can't race?
finally, shug is old school so of course you hate him - understandable because for some, making $ is more important than caring about the animals that are the core of the sport - not everyone thinks a living breathing animal can just be replaced by a different one - it's very difficult to separate one's gambling self from one's horseman self - hell - I'm guilty - i'll play an o'neill 1st time Lasix (especially off a claim) but I wouldn't care to own him
ev - agree re orb - drugs won't be an issue with his progeny
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Post by byanose13 on Sept 29, 2015 14:07:47 GMT -5
Should have retired him after the BC. He is a spent horse, I will not bash him because he is what he is a speed horse that ran his guts out and just couldn't find it anymore and there is nothing wrong with that. Some horse have long shelf lives and some short and his just happened to be a short one but it's better than seeing him break down on the track.
Watch pointing fingers because I see a BC winning filly that looks like she has been run to death by a former QH trainer.
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Post by cait on Sept 29, 2015 18:57:33 GMT -5
could very well happen nose - especially if a 2 or 3 yr old!
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Post by cait on Sept 29, 2015 19:00:54 GMT -5
is this the one you mean?
Bloodlines: Fillies By Medaglia d’Oro Cement His Future As Top Broodmare Sire
by Frank Mitchell
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With her victory in the Chandelier Stakes at Santa Anita on Sept. 26, Songbird (by Medaglia d’Oro) won her third race without a defeat and her second Grade 1, following the Del Mar Debutante. Her time of 1:43.79 was 1.1 seconds faster than the colt Nyquist ran in winning the G1 Frontrunner earlier on the same card.
A frontrunner of obvious ability, Songbird takes a great deal after her famous sire, both in racing style and racing class. Medaglia d’Oro was a steed of prodigious frontrunning ability, and in the capable hands of trainer Bobby Frankel, the dark brown son of El Prado was first or second in 15 of his 17 starts, earning more than $5.7 million.
At the track, Medaglia d’Oro’s best victories included the G1 Travers, Whitney, and Donn, while he was also second in the Breeders’ Cup Classic, Belmont Stakes, and Dubai World Cup.
A horse of striking presence and individuality, Medaglia d’Oro began his stud career at Hill ‘n’ Dale Farm, where the mares he covered included Lotta Kim (by the Forty Niner stallion Roar), the dam of Preakness and Woodward Stakes winner Rachel Alexandra.
Rachel Alexandra was the biggest star in the first crop by Medaglia d’Oro, who by then had been transferred to his owners’ Stonewall Farm. There the dark brown horse continued as a highly popular stallion till his first-crop successes engendered an offer from Darley that could not be refused.
Now Medaglia d’Oro stands at Darley’s Jonabell stallion center in Lexington on Northern Hemisphere time for the February through June breeding season and commutes to Australia, where he stands at Darley Kelvinside in New South Wales for the Southern Hemisphere breeding season.
The sire of 72 stakes winners in the Northern Hemisphere, Medaglia d’Oro is especially well-known for the excellence of his daughters, which include classic winners Rachel Alexandra and Plum Pretty (Kentucky Oaks), as well as other major winners like Marketing Mix (Gamely), Champagne d’Oro (Acorn), Gabby’s Golden Gal (Acorn), and now Songbird.
But Medaglia d’Oro also has sired G1-winning colts like Violence (Hollywood Futurity), Warrior’s Reward (Carter), Mshawish (Gulfstream Park Turf Handicap), as well as his best racer in Australia, G1 Golden Slipper victor Vancouver.
Results such as these have guaranteed Medaglia d’Oro a steady supply of outstanding racemares and producers as his mates, and the dam of Songbird proved herself a talented and resilient racehorse during her career on the track.
In three seasons of racing, Ivanavinalot won six races and $647,300. In addition to winning the Florida Stallion Stakes My Dear Girl division at 2, the daughter of West Acre progressed at 3 to win the G2 Bonnie Miss at Gulfstream, as well as finish second in the G2 Davona Dale.
One of three stakes winners out of the Deputy Minister mare Beaty Sark, Ivanavinalot was the best racer by her royally pedigreed sire West Acre. That horse was by champion juvenile and leading sire Forty Niner (Mr. Prospector) and out of the important producer Narrate, who was also a graded stakes winner during her racing career.
An April 30 foal, Songbird has proven herself the best of her dam’s produce by far. Although Ivanavinalot had several foals to race without distinction, Songbird was such an outstanding prospect that she was accepted for Fasig-Tipton’s Saratoga select yearling sale last year. A real star on the sales grounds, the striking bay filly with four white stockings had a typical profile for her sire.
She carries very good condition, has good length through the body, with strong quarters, and has the balance of shape and fluidity of motion that suggests a high-quality individual.
All these attributes caught the attentive eye of sales inspector Tom McGreevy, who purchases racing prospects for Rick Porter’s Fox Hill Farm, and on a bid of $400,000, the lovely filly went into the training set for Fox Hill.
After the Chandelier, Songbird will justly be one of the favorites for the Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Fillies, where she may meet Spinaway winner Rachel’s Valentina (Bernardini). The latter and Saturday’s Vosburgh Stakes winner Rock Fall (Speightstown) are early evidence that Medaglia d’Oro is a broodmare sire for tomorrow.
With the size, speed, quality, and scope of the stallion’s daughters, they seem natural selections as premium broodmares. They are already proving themselves in that, and the combination of more Medaglia d’Oro daughters coming into production every year and their selection as mates for better stallions will mark this gold medal sire as a future broodmare sire of distinction
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