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Post by cait on Sept 15, 2015 15:27:44 GMT -5
oh yes - mr z is entered!!
Madefromlucky, Frosted Among 10 for PA Derby
By Tom LaMarra
Bloodhorse
Cheyenne Stables and Mac Nichol's Madefromlucky will attempt to make it back-to-back grade II victories in the $1 million Pennsylvania Derby Sept. 19 at Parx Racing.
The 1 1/8-mile Derby drew a field of 10 3-year-olds including highweight Frosted, who will carry 124 pounds because he is a grade I winner this year. The Pennsylvania Derby is carded as race 10 with a scheduled post time of 5:45 p.m. EDT.
Also on the Saturday program at Parx is the $1 million Cotillion Stakes (gr. I) for 3-year-old fillies, the $300,000 Gallant Bob Stakes (gr. III) for 3-year-old sprinters, the $150,000 Bayern Stakes for older runners going long, and the $100,000 Alphabet Soup Stakes for Pennsylvania-breds on the grass.
Madefromlucky in his last start Aug. 1 was a handy off-the-pace winner of the grade II West Virginia Derby at Mountaineer Casino, Racetrack & Resort for trainer Todd Pletcher. The Lookin At Lucky colt also won the grade II Peter Pan Stakes at Belmont Park in early May. His only losses since his maiden score last December have come at the hands of eventual Triple Crown winner American Pharoah.
John Velazquez has the call from post 5 at 122 pounds.
Godolphin Racing's Frosted, to be ridden by Joel Rosario from post 3, in his last start finished third in the Aug. 29 Travers Stakes (gr. I) at Saratoga Race Course after pushing American Pharoah for more than one mile in the 1 1/4-mile test. The Tapit colt trained by Kiaran McLaughlin did very well to finish third behind Keen Ice and American Pharoah, and he figures to be the favorite in the Pennsylvania Derby.
Ralph Evans and WinStar Farm's Upstart, fourth after an even trip in the Travers for trainer Rick Violette Jr., drew post 9 for the PA Derby and will be ridden by Irad Ortiz Jr. at 122 pounds. The Flatter colt's last victory came in the Holy Bull Stakes (gr. II) in January at Gulstream Park; he subsequently finished first in the grade II Fountain of Youth Stakes but was disqualified and placed second for interference.
Trainer Bob Baffert, who won last year's Pennsylvania Derby with Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I) winner Bayern, has entered the speedy Midnight Lute colt Gimme Da Lute, who will break from post 7 with Martin Garcia riding at 122 pounds. Owned by Karl Watson, Michael Pegram, and Paul Weitman, Gimme Da Lute has won his last four starts, including the grade II Los Alamitos Derby at 1 1/8 miles and grade III Affirmed Stakes.
Pennsylvania Derby (gr. II)
Parx Racing, Saturday, September 19, 2015, Race 10
1 1/8m
Dirt
$1,000,000
3 yo
5:45 PM (local)
1 War Story (KY) Deshawn L. Parker 117 Jeffrey A. Radosevich
2 Island Town (KY) Brian Joseph Hernandez, Jr. 122 Ian R. Wilkes
3 Frosted (KY) Joel Rosario 124 Kiaran P. McLaughlin
4 Iron Fist (KY) Mike E. Smith 117 Jerry Hollendorfer
5 Madefromlucky (KY) John R. Velazquez 122 Todd A. Pletcher
6 Gimme Da Lute (CA) Martin Garcia 122 Bob Baffert
7 Tommy Macho (KY) Javier Castellano 117 Todd A. Pletcher
8 Battle Midway (KY) Aaron T. Gryder 117 Nicholas P. Zito
9 Upstart (NY) Irad Ortiz, Jr. 122 Richard A. Violette, Jr.
10 Mr. Z (KY) Luis Saez 119 D. Wayne Lukas
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Post by Evelyn on Sept 15, 2015 21:02:50 GMT -5
This looks like a good race. I hope Frosted gets the win he deserves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 23:31:29 GMT -5
i will be boxing 1-3-6 all day long. until upstart shows he is back in top form, i wont touch him and he is the only other horse in the race who is good enough on his best day to beat frosted. war story isnt either, but at least he will be a big price and if he ever gets out of the gate he is going to run a big race in one of these damn races. madefromlucky and mr.z are not on the same level as frosted and upstart and will be overbet as always. bafferts horse i really dont know how to gauge against these but i will take a shot with him and war story to get in there with frosted. hopefully they will let frosted settle midpack this time and make one run. he is much better suited to that running style and there appears to be a good amount of speed lined up.
box 1-3-6
play 3 over 1,6 for extra
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Post by Nostradamus on Sept 16, 2015 22:50:01 GMT -5
I think that Frosted is absolutely the horse to beat and the proven class of the race along with Upstart; but I have to give the nod to Frosted off of that last effort against AP running up front on the pace and only fading in the end. If he can run only 1/2 length off of AP then he must be good especially considering that he won the Wood from coming off the pace so he is a very versatile horse.
Upstart looks good too and has class to win having beat Frosted in the Holy Bull and also running very good against AP in last and especially two back at MTH in 1:09/3 fractions.
Mr. Z looks good in this race too as his PPs show that he has run against the best in the country decently, able to get on the pace and only to fade in the end against AP also.
Island Town looks interesting as he had run good against Mr Z in first time he really stretched out only two lengths off pace to fade in the end in the Gr 2 Indiana Derby. Then soundly beat Souper Colossal by 6 3/4 in last who is a very good horse and better than most people might think.
Gimme Da Lute looks like he has some potential as a distance horse coming from speed in sprint races then always showing stamina on shorter stretch out distant races, so I would give him as shot too.
War Story reminds me of Java's Snore, Golden Soul and Commanding Curve as a one shot win maybe once by luck come from behind plodder and I would avoid him like the plague. The owners and trainers looks like small time players who have visions of glory if they can only win a big one and therefore are emotionally running this horse way over his head - it is so obvious. lol.
My picks in order:
Frosted (almost a lock)
Upstart
Island Town
Mr. Z
Gimme Da Lute
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 0:39:33 GMT -5
what does it matter what upstart did six months ago? the point is he isnt the same horse. he was sick as a dog before and after the derby and hasnt been right since. until he shows a reason to think he is back to that form, he is the one to avoid like the plague. especially at an expected short price of 2nd or 3rd favorite. meanwhile war story will be somewhere in the 20-1 range and has way more of an upside. he has had trouble in all of his recent races, catches a field that should set up for a closing rally, and as i said, will be a much higher price.
btw, can you seriously answer a question for me? i have asked you this before and now i will again. do you ever respond to any threads or posts other then the ones i do? also, nice to see you are so original by stealing the nickname for javas war i have used for 2 years.
do you know what i had for lunch today? i would think that with your head so far up my ass you would know for sure.
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Post by Nostradamus on Sept 17, 2015 20:08:31 GMT -5
what does it matter what upstart did six months ago? the point is he isnt the same horse. he was sick as a dog before and after the derby and hasnt been right since. until he shows a reason to think he is back to that form, he is the one to avoid like the plague. especially at an expected short price of 2nd or 3rd favorite. meanwhile war story will be somewhere in the 20-1 range and has way more of an upside. he has had trouble in all of his recent races, catches a field that should set up for a closing rally, and as i said, will be a much higher price. btw, can you seriously answer a question for me? i have asked you this before and now i will again. do you ever respond to any threads or posts other then the ones i do? also, nice to see you are so original by stealing the nickname for javas war i have used for 2 years. do you know what i had for lunch today? i would think that with your head so far up my ass you would know for sure. I reply to anyone's post that I find interesting and have something to say about. The thing about you is that you are so confidently opinionated about horse racing that it is almost irresistible to not respond to your posts. I particularly like to respond when someone makes bold statements about horses, races or race selections. Not many other people on this site do that except for Macdaddy who if you notice I do post in response when he makes picks for big races, or makes statements about the quality of this or that horse. When E1 was here I also made responses to his picks and his statements in general about the quality of certain horses when I agreed or disagreed. So in summary I respond to when people make selections in big races or when they make general statements about the quality of horses, or when the statements are very controversial and opinionated and the poster needs to be bi_tch'd slap back to reality. lol |
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Post by Nostradamus on Sept 17, 2015 20:14:26 GMT -5
War Story wont be in the top 5 and may be much worse than that. The horse plodded against Madefromlucky in last race who also don't look like much in this race to come from way back in very slow fractions, and even Mr. Z beat him pretty good two back so how can he even run with the likes of Frosted and Undrafted? Maybe since anything can happen - but I would not bet on it.
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Post by Nostradamus on Sept 17, 2015 20:27:51 GMT -5
Another thing to consider with War Story is that he plodded against Madefromlucky in last and with Souper Colossal running 2nd by 1 1/2. Island Town beat Super Colossal by 6 3/4 in his next race. Now who is better on paper in the PP's - Madefromlucky and War Story or anyone who came out of that last race they ran, or Island Town? If you want a longshot Island Town is it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 21:47:34 GMT -5
first off........you would definately be the one to bitch slap someone back to reality since you are the biggest bitch here!
secondly........if you had a trustwrthy bone in your body, which you dont, i would bet you horse for horse war story against anyone in the race other then frosted or gimme da lute. but we all know how that would turn out.
third...........there you go with the pp's bullshit again. comparing beaten lengths in different races as if that is all that matters. keep reading the form and taking it as the gospel and see where that gets you..........broke as always!
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Post by teenagewildlife on Sept 18, 2015 15:30:15 GMT -5
first off........you would definately be the one to bitch slap someone back to reality since you are the biggest bitch here! secondly........if you had a trustwrthy bone in your body, which you dont, i would bet you horse for horse war story against anyone in the race other then frosted or gimme da lute. but we all know how that would turn out. third...........there you go with the pp's bullshit again. comparing beaten lengths in different races as if that is all that matters. keep reading the form and taking it as the gospel and see where that gets you..........broke as always! if i were to play an ex box i'd go with 1,3,4,5... |
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Post by Nostradamus on Sept 18, 2015 21:00:26 GMT -5
first off........you would definately be the one to bitch slap someone back to reality since you are the biggest bitch here! secondly........if you had a trustwrthy bone in your body, which you dont, i would bet you horse for horse war story against anyone in the race other then frosted or gimme da lute. but we all know how that would turn out. third...........there you go with the pp's bullshit again. comparing beaten lengths in different races as if that is all that matters. keep reading the form and taking it as the gospel and see where that gets you..........broke as always! Why no caps? That was a very passionate dissertation. lol. Hey I am not saying that Island Town will definitely beat War Story; I am just saying that based on the PP's I would bet Island Town before I bet War Story and actually War Story would be toward the bottom of the list. However, I see how you could play him. He started off running in what appeared to be class company but International Star I think turned out to be a nothing, and a lot of horses that came out of International Star races turned out to run poorly against real class. Therefore I do not rate War Story that highly based on the sum total of his previous races, but that does not mean he is not a good horse. The only thing I could do since I don't have a crystal ball is look at the PP's and try to make a logical judgment base on that. I guess you don't read the PP's but have some kind of black magic hocus pocus method of picking. lol. |
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Post by Nostradamus on Sept 18, 2015 21:08:21 GMT -5
first off........you would definately be the one to bitch slap someone back to reality since you are the biggest bitch here! secondly........if you had a trustwrthy bone in your body, which you dont, i would bet you horse for horse war story against anyone in the race other then frosted or gimme da lute. but we all know how that would turn out. third...........there you go with the pp's bullshit again. comparing beaten lengths in different races as if that is all that matters. keep reading the form and taking it as the gospel and see where that gets you..........broke as always! if i were to play an ex box i'd go with 1,3,4,5... Madefromlucky and War Story I think will not hit the top 5. The last race that Madefromlucky won in my opinion was an extremely weak race and I would avoid anything that came out of that race. Iron Fist might run good although he came out of that race. He ran good in the past against some class horses like Lord Nelson and Om in which AP was fourth in that race I believe, and then ran 3rd to AP. |
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Post by Evelyn on Sept 19, 2015 18:33:36 GMT -5
Frosted deserved the win!
Frosted Ices Rivals in Pennsylvania Derby
By Frank Angst,
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Rallying three wide at the top of the stretch, Frosted put away Iron Fist and cruised to victory by two lengths in the $1 million Pennsylvania Derby (gr. II) on Saturday, Sept. 19 at Parx Racing. Watch Video
With the win, Godolphin Racing's homebred son of leading sire Tapit snapped a four-race losing streak dating back to this year's Twinspires.com Wood Memorial Stakes (gr. I) in April at Aqueduct Racetrack. Of course, those four races have been at the top level—Frosted finished behind Triple Crown winner American Pharoah in three of those starts and behind Breeders' Cup Juvenile (gr. I) winner Texas Red in the other.
Following the win, trainer Kiaran McLaughlin said he will train Frosted up to the Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I) Oct. 31 at Keeneland.
"He's a top horse and the last three out of his last four runs have been against American Pharoah, so it's great he (American Pharoah) wasn't here and we were able to shine today," McLaughlin said. "We'll train on and we're definitely going to point that way (to the Breeders' Cup). We're happy with a little more time."
Frosted has registered strong finishes all spring and summer, finishing fourth in the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), second in the Belmont Stakes Presented by DraftKings (gr. I), second in the Jim Dandy Stakes (gr. II), and most recently third in the Aug. 29 Travers Stakes (gr. I), where he dueled with American Pharoah on the front end before finishing third behind Keen Ice and the Triple Crown winner.
Guided to victory Saturday by Joel Rosario, Frosted showed no wear following that most recent effort.
At the start, Ohio Derby winner Mr. Z broke smoothly from the outside in the field of nine 3-year-olds and seized the early lead while guided to the rail by Luis Saez. Saez and Mr. Z comfortably punched out a quarter-mile in 24.22 and a half-mile in :48.5 while pursued by grade I-placed Iron Fist, who entered off a fourth in the West Virginia Derby (gr. II). Iron Fist engaged Mr. Z mid-turn while Frosted found room along the rail and improved his position. Coming off the far turn, Iron Fist took the lead while Frosted was moved three wide.
Mr. Z held position, but Iron Fist and Frosted edged away from him—and then Frosted found another gear that none of his rivals possessed, drawing off to the easy win. Well spread at the finish, Iron Fist finished second, seven lengths clear of the late-running Tommy Macho. Mr. Z held fourth.
Rounding out the field was second choice Upstart, War Story, Madefromlucky, Island Town, and Battle Midway.
Even-money favorite Frosted completed the 1 1/8-mile test in 1:50.04, returning $4 to win, $2.80 to place, and $2.60 to show. Iron Fist paid $6.80 and $5.20 while Tommy Macho returned $7 to show.
With the win, Frosted improved his record to 4-6-1 from 13 starts for earnings of more than $2.6 million. Frosted is out of the Deputy Minister mare Fast Cookie, who won the 2003 Cotillion Handicap (gr. II) at Parx (then Philadelphia Park).
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Post by Evelyn on Sept 19, 2015 18:35:02 GMT -5
I forgot to add that Mr Z - bless his tired heart - brought home the 4th place check for 60K.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 19:16:58 GMT -5
INTERNATIONAL STAR TURNED TO BE NOTHING?HE WON HIS LAST 5 F*ING RACES AND WAS THE LIVE LONGSHOT PLAY GOING INTO THE DERBY WHEN HE GOT HURT AND HASNT RUN SINCE. ONCE AGAIN, TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS ABOUT STUFF YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT. DO YOU EVER EVEN CHECK THIS SHIT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH?
YES I USE THE PP'S AMONGST OTHER THINGS. IM NOT ONE DIMENSIONAL LIKE YOU.
BUT ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE HIJACKED A POST I MADE AND CHANGED IT AROUND TO SUIT YOUR STUPIDITY. THE WHOLE POINT OF MY POST WASNT THAT I LOVED WAR STORY BY ANY MEANS. MY POINT WAS THAT IT WAS A GOOD RACE TO BET BECAUSE THERE WERE THREE HORSES TO AVOID WHO WOULD GET BET, AND I WAS RIGHT. WHERE DID MR. Z, UPSTART, AND MADEFROMLUCKY END UP? GIMME DA LUTE WAS SCRATCHED, SO THAT LEFT WAR STORY AND OTHER PRICES TO PLAY UNDERNEATH HIM. BELIEVE ME, I DIDNT LOSE ANYTHING IN THE RACE. THE FIRT BET I MADE WAS 3 WITH 1,2,4,7,8 IN THE TRI. AND THEN PRESSED THE 1 HORSE 2ND AND 3RD FOR EXTRA. HOW DID YOU DO?
MORE DOUBLE TALK AS WELL.
"The last race that Madefromlucky won in my opinion was an extremely weak race and I would avoid anything that came out of that race. Iron Fist might run good although he came out of that race."
WHICH ONE IS IT? TAKE A STAND. MAKE A CHOICE. ENOUGH WITH THE BULLSHIT.
AND EXACTLY WHAT RACE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE AM RAN 4TH? HE HAS NEVER RUN 4TH IN HIS LIFE IF IM CORRECT. HE HAS WON EVERY START OTHER THEN HIS FIRST WHERE HE RAN LAST I THINK AND THEN THE TRAVERS WHERE HE RAN 2ND.
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