Kentucky Derby betting in September?
Sept 14, 2015 12:49:35 GMT -5
Post by cait on Sept 14, 2015 12:49:35 GMT -5
anyone taking a shot? definitely a crapshoot lol
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Kentucky Derby betting in September?
Gary West
Emily Dickinson once pointed out that a little madness is wholesome. That must have been just before she took a wholesome tumble into the Kentucky Derby futures.
No matter how you dress it up, in a three-piece suit or a dinner jacket, with a fedora or a top hat, betting on the Kentucky Derby in September is madness. It's pluperfect folly. It's quail hunting with a slingshot. But what fun.
The first Kentucky Derby futures pool opens Friday, at the Wynn in Las Vegas. Bettors, madmen and fruit loops contemplating a plunge - a dip of a big toe might be preferable - can find bracing encouragement in the recollection that American Pharoah's odds were 40-1 when the first pool opened a year ago.
Many of the youngsters who are on the board in Vegas for this first Derby future pool are in action this weekend, starting Friday with Conquest Big E (125-1 odds at the Wynn), Entertainer (125-1) and Gametown (125-1), who are all entered in maiden races at Churchill Downs. Conquest Big E's trainer, Mark Casse, said the son of Tapit trained as well a any youngster he had at Saratoga this summer (e.g., five-eighths of a mile from the gate in 59.20 on Aug. 15). But instead of starting him there, Casse waited for this one-mile race at Churchill. Gametown flashed considerable talent in his debut at Saratoga, rallying from last to finish second in a turf sprint; the son of Kentucky Derby winner Street Sense should appreciate the switch to dirt and Friday's one-mile distance.
At 1 1/16 miles, Saturday's Iroquois Stakes at Churchill gives 2-year-olds their first significant opportunity to race around two turns on dirt, which means it can be a window through which to glimpse potential. Although he's still a maiden, Conquest Windycity, another promising youngster from the Casse barn, is the 7-2 favorite in the morning line for the Iroquois. He's 125-1 in the Derby futures. In his debut at Saratoga, at 1 1/16 miles on the turf, Conquest Windycity rallied to finish second.
"He didn't breeze all that well on the turf," Casse said about Conquest Windycity, "but we ran him on the turf (at Saratoga) because that was our only opportunity to get him in a two-turn race. And that's what we wanted to prepare for this (the Iroquois). He has trained really well on dirt."
Also among those entered in the Iroquois are Condominium (175-1 in the Derby futures), Rated R Superstar (125-1), Twirling Cinnamon (175-1), Star Hill (200-1), Cocked And Loaded (275-1) and Unbridled Outlaw (100-1). A handy winner at 2-5 at Ellis Park, where he had to rally on a surface that seemed especially kind to speedsters, Unbridled Outlaw is the second-choice in the Iroquois morning line at 4-1.
To nobody's surprise, Del Mar Futurity winner Nyquist is the favorite in the Derby futures, at 35-1. He's fast, determined and unbeaten. Monday at Del Mar, he pressed a rapid pace, 44.54 seconds for the opening half-mile, and then drew clear to win by nearly four lengths. But, of course, this is a bet on the future. And do you really want to accept 35-1 odds on the proposition that success at 1 1/4 miles lies in Nyquist's future? Or, for that matter, in the future of Ralis, the winner of Monday's Hopeful Stakes at Saratoga. Nyquist is a son of Uncle Mo, who was brilliant as a precocious juvenile but disappointing at 3, and Ralis is by Square Eddie, who delivered his best performances on synthetic surfaces at Keeneland and Santa Anita and never won beyond 1 1/16 miles. As a son of Belmont Stakes winner Birdstone, Swipe, the runner-up in the Del Mar Futurity, might be more enticing, but not at 40-1 in the Derby future. Also among the early favorites are Exaggerator, at 40-1,
But if you're looking for enticing odds, you won't have to put together a search party. Mt. Veeder, a Ghostzapper colt from the stable of trainer Bob Baffert, is 100-1. Tale of S'Avall, who rallied while wide to win his debut at Saratoga for trainer Barclay Tagg, is also 100-1. Amis Gizmo, a minor stakes winner at Woodbine in his debut for trainer Josie Carroll, is 150-1. Airoforce, a handsome colt by Colonel John who won his debut Saturday at Kentucky Downs, is 175-1. At 125-1 is Kasseopia, an easy winner on the synthetic surface at Kempton Park in Surrey, England, who's expected to join the stable of Graham Motion. Two of the more intriguing horses on the board at 150-1 are Ziconic, a son of Tapit and Zenyatta, and Dolphus, a half-brother to Rachel Alexandra.
When the Derby futures opened Friday, the early money showed up for Championofthenile, dropping his odds from 150-1 to 85-1. Last week, after he had disappointed in his debut on turf, trainer Linda Rice moved the speedy son of Pioneerof The Nile to the dirt at Saratoga, where he gave a sparkling performance, sprinting through an opening half-mile in 45.20 and then drawing clear to win by six lengths.
What's most surprising about this year's juveniles, perhaps, is that so few of them have turned heads or jumped up to proclaim their potential. Trainer Todd Pletcher, who usually dominates the juvenile races at Saratoga, said his youngsters didn't come around as quickly as they had in past years. He's hopeful, he said, that they progress significantly this winter, and many no doubt will. Still, Pletcher trains one of the most intriguing horses listed among the Derby futures. Rachel's Valentina, the winner of the recent Spinaway Stakes at Saratoga, is 150-1.
The daughter of Bernardini and Rachel Alexandra represents a wholesome madness.
280304641-2016-Kentucky-Derby-odds.pdf (124.44 KB)
Kentucky Derby betting in September?
Gary West
Emily Dickinson once pointed out that a little madness is wholesome. That must have been just before she took a wholesome tumble into the Kentucky Derby futures.
No matter how you dress it up, in a three-piece suit or a dinner jacket, with a fedora or a top hat, betting on the Kentucky Derby in September is madness. It's pluperfect folly. It's quail hunting with a slingshot. But what fun.
The first Kentucky Derby futures pool opens Friday, at the Wynn in Las Vegas. Bettors, madmen and fruit loops contemplating a plunge - a dip of a big toe might be preferable - can find bracing encouragement in the recollection that American Pharoah's odds were 40-1 when the first pool opened a year ago.
Many of the youngsters who are on the board in Vegas for this first Derby future pool are in action this weekend, starting Friday with Conquest Big E (125-1 odds at the Wynn), Entertainer (125-1) and Gametown (125-1), who are all entered in maiden races at Churchill Downs. Conquest Big E's trainer, Mark Casse, said the son of Tapit trained as well a any youngster he had at Saratoga this summer (e.g., five-eighths of a mile from the gate in 59.20 on Aug. 15). But instead of starting him there, Casse waited for this one-mile race at Churchill. Gametown flashed considerable talent in his debut at Saratoga, rallying from last to finish second in a turf sprint; the son of Kentucky Derby winner Street Sense should appreciate the switch to dirt and Friday's one-mile distance.
At 1 1/16 miles, Saturday's Iroquois Stakes at Churchill gives 2-year-olds their first significant opportunity to race around two turns on dirt, which means it can be a window through which to glimpse potential. Although he's still a maiden, Conquest Windycity, another promising youngster from the Casse barn, is the 7-2 favorite in the morning line for the Iroquois. He's 125-1 in the Derby futures. In his debut at Saratoga, at 1 1/16 miles on the turf, Conquest Windycity rallied to finish second.
"He didn't breeze all that well on the turf," Casse said about Conquest Windycity, "but we ran him on the turf (at Saratoga) because that was our only opportunity to get him in a two-turn race. And that's what we wanted to prepare for this (the Iroquois). He has trained really well on dirt."
Also among those entered in the Iroquois are Condominium (175-1 in the Derby futures), Rated R Superstar (125-1), Twirling Cinnamon (175-1), Star Hill (200-1), Cocked And Loaded (275-1) and Unbridled Outlaw (100-1). A handy winner at 2-5 at Ellis Park, where he had to rally on a surface that seemed especially kind to speedsters, Unbridled Outlaw is the second-choice in the Iroquois morning line at 4-1.
To nobody's surprise, Del Mar Futurity winner Nyquist is the favorite in the Derby futures, at 35-1. He's fast, determined and unbeaten. Monday at Del Mar, he pressed a rapid pace, 44.54 seconds for the opening half-mile, and then drew clear to win by nearly four lengths. But, of course, this is a bet on the future. And do you really want to accept 35-1 odds on the proposition that success at 1 1/4 miles lies in Nyquist's future? Or, for that matter, in the future of Ralis, the winner of Monday's Hopeful Stakes at Saratoga. Nyquist is a son of Uncle Mo, who was brilliant as a precocious juvenile but disappointing at 3, and Ralis is by Square Eddie, who delivered his best performances on synthetic surfaces at Keeneland and Santa Anita and never won beyond 1 1/16 miles. As a son of Belmont Stakes winner Birdstone, Swipe, the runner-up in the Del Mar Futurity, might be more enticing, but not at 40-1 in the Derby future. Also among the early favorites are Exaggerator, at 40-1,
But if you're looking for enticing odds, you won't have to put together a search party. Mt. Veeder, a Ghostzapper colt from the stable of trainer Bob Baffert, is 100-1. Tale of S'Avall, who rallied while wide to win his debut at Saratoga for trainer Barclay Tagg, is also 100-1. Amis Gizmo, a minor stakes winner at Woodbine in his debut for trainer Josie Carroll, is 150-1. Airoforce, a handsome colt by Colonel John who won his debut Saturday at Kentucky Downs, is 175-1. At 125-1 is Kasseopia, an easy winner on the synthetic surface at Kempton Park in Surrey, England, who's expected to join the stable of Graham Motion. Two of the more intriguing horses on the board at 150-1 are Ziconic, a son of Tapit and Zenyatta, and Dolphus, a half-brother to Rachel Alexandra.
When the Derby futures opened Friday, the early money showed up for Championofthenile, dropping his odds from 150-1 to 85-1. Last week, after he had disappointed in his debut on turf, trainer Linda Rice moved the speedy son of Pioneerof The Nile to the dirt at Saratoga, where he gave a sparkling performance, sprinting through an opening half-mile in 45.20 and then drawing clear to win by six lengths.
What's most surprising about this year's juveniles, perhaps, is that so few of them have turned heads or jumped up to proclaim their potential. Trainer Todd Pletcher, who usually dominates the juvenile races at Saratoga, said his youngsters didn't come around as quickly as they had in past years. He's hopeful, he said, that they progress significantly this winter, and many no doubt will. Still, Pletcher trains one of the most intriguing horses listed among the Derby futures. Rachel's Valentina, the winner of the recent Spinaway Stakes at Saratoga, is 150-1.
The daughter of Bernardini and Rachel Alexandra represents a wholesome madness.