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Post by mackdaddy on May 10, 2015 18:30:34 GMT -5
Unload the wallet on Ahh Chocolate (KK favorite horse) in the Black Eyed Susan friday.
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Post by Evelyn on May 10, 2015 21:35:11 GMT -5
I wanted to separate from the Preakness. I'm with Mack on Ahh Chocolate
Luminance Among Nine for Black-Eyed Susan
Bloodhorse
Trainer Bob Baffert, who will have certain favorite American Pharoah in the Preakness Stakes (gr. I) May 16 at Pimlico Race Course, will seek his fourth Black-Eyed Susan Stakes (gr. II) victory one day earlier with Luminance.
The $250,000 Black-Eyed Susan is Pimlico's signature race for 3-year-olds fillies. The 1 1/8-mile event goes as the race 11 on the 14-race card that includes six other stakes, with an approximate post time of 4:50 p.m. EDT.
Luminance, runner-up in the Santa Anita Oaks (gr. I) April 4, trained at Churchill Downs for a possible start in the May 1 Longines Kentucky Oaks (gr. I), but Baffert decided to find another race for the filly owned by Kaleem Shah, also the owner of Preakness hopeful Dortmund.
"After surveying everything there—she's a really good filly—I just wanted to prep her for the Acorn (gr. I, June 6 at Belmont Park) down the road," Baffert said of the Tale of the Cat filly. "You want to place them where they can be competitive and not be too hard on them."
Winner of two of three starts, Luminance was the early leader in the Santa Anita Oaks, but couldn't hold off Stellar Wind, who won that 1 1/16-mile race by 5 1/4 lengths. Stellar Wind went on to finish fourth in the Kentucky Oaks.
Danessa Deluxe, a Summer Bird filly trained by Jorge Navarro for Gelfenstein Farm, also is graded stakes-placed. In her only start this year, she finished third, two lengths behind winner Birdatthewire, in the Gulfstream Park Oaks (gr. II) going 1 1/16 miles.
As a 2-year-old, Danessa Deluxe won two of five starts. In her final start in 2014, she finished fourth in the Delta Downs Princess (gr. III), five lengths behind winner Take Charge Brandi, the year's champion 2-year-old filly.
Devine Aida, an Unbridled's Song filly trained by Ramon Morales for Frank Stronach's Stronach Stable, is a multiple stakes winner. At Gulfstream Park this year, she won the Ginger Brew, a mile turf race, by 3 1/2 lengths and the 1 1/8-mile Herecomesthebride, which was switched from turf to a sloppy main track, by 6 3/4 lengths. In her most-recent start, Devine Aida finished fourth in the Gulfstream Park Oaks, eight lengths behind Birdatthewire.
"I thought all the time, she could be a grass filly," Morales said, "but Mr. Stronach, he'd like to see her better on the dirt."
Ahh Chocolate, an undefeated Candy Ride filly trained by Neil Howard for Stoneway Farm, will be making her stakes debut. She came from behind to win a sprint against maidens in February at Fair Grounds Race Course & Slots by three-quarters of a length and rallied from midpack to win a 1 1/16-mile allowance race April 8 at Keeneland by 1 3/4 lengths.
"Her first race was very professional," Howard said. "She's always been a little bit ahead of her time, demeanor-wise. We thought the race at Keeneland was a strong race.
"Pedigree-wise, physically, she's kind of a big rangy filly," he said. "Her running style, you would think it would be well within her."
Sweetgrass, a Street Sense filly trained by Ian Wilkes, has won two for four starts, including a seven-furlong allowance race at Keeneland in her last race. She will be trying two turns for the first time.
Also entered are Fantasy (gr. III) winner Include Betty, most recently eighth in the Kentucky Oaks; Gypsy Judy, winner of the Wide Country Stakes at Laurel Park in February; and maiden winners Keen Pauline and Pure.
Black-Eyed Susan S. (gr. II)
Pimlico Race Course , Friday, May 15, 2015, Race 11
1 1/8m
Dirt
$250,000
3 yo Fillies
4:50 PM (local)
1 Danessa Deluxe (KY) John R. Velazquez 116 Jorge Navarro
2 Pure (KY) Victor Espinoza 116 James M. Cassidy
3 Ahh Chocolate (KY) Brian Joseph Hernandez, Jr. 116 Neil J. Howard
4 Gypsy Judy (KY) Horacio Karamanos 116 Robin L. Graham
5 Include Betty (KY) Drayden Van Dyke 122 Thomas F. Proctor
6 Sweetgrass (KY) Julien R. Leparoux 116 Ian R. Wilkes
7 Devine Aida (KY) Jesus M. Rios 120 Ramon Morales
8 Luminance (KY) Martin Garcia 116 Bob Baffert
9 Keen Pauline (KY) Javier Castellano 118 Dale L. Romans
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 23:58:41 GMT -5
lolo what a field. definately worthy of being part of the filly tc. LOLOL.
Luminance, runner-up in the Santa Anita Oaks (gr. I) April 4, trained at Churchill Downs for a possible start in the May 1 Longines Kentucky Oaks (gr. I), but Baffert decided to find another race for the filly owned by Kaleem Shah, also the owner of Preakness hopeful Dortmund.
"After surveying everything there—she's a really good filly—I just wanted to prep her for the Acorn (gr. I, June 6 at Belmont Park) down the road," Baffert said of the Tale of the Cat filly. "You want to place them where they can be competitive and not be too hard on them."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ interpretation= "rather then run over our head in a race of meaning we decided to wait and run against a field of non relevant fillies in a race that means nothing for a miniscule purse."
meanwhile, wasnt it a bigger purse last year?
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Post by mackdaddy on May 11, 2015 13:21:40 GMT -5
Black Eyed Susan has been irrelevant for a long time. Ahh Chocolate should crush this group
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Post by cait on May 11, 2015 14:02:24 GMT -5
i wouldn't say irrelevant but it is a G2 and has been for many years. breeding is producing more fragile horses - 3 yr old fillies are still growing (some, technically aren't even 3 yet)so it's understandable they don't run back in 2 weeks - of course that hurts the BES - but it is what it is
honestly Wiz - you just proved what a biased ass you can be. you rant and rant about bloated purses then you slam a g2 for 250K which is not only a lot of $ for a filly race but completely in line purse wise -
recent races for fillies:
Belmont Ruffian - g2 $250K
SA Honeymoon g2 $200K
SA g1 vanity - $300K (and a teeny field but no bashing from you whereas other tracks that have small stakes fields do get bashed consistently by you!)
you are also sort of slamming the g1 SA oaks where the winner was 4th in the KY oaks - maybe bob made the wrong choice as the sa field wasn't very strong
go ahead - spin it how you want but you're talking out of both sides of your mouth - as usual!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 15:57:50 GMT -5
but none of those races adverise themselves as being prt of something special. a filly tc. whether it is official or not, they do it and so do others. the derby is 2 million dollars. the oaks one million i believe. now they run the second leg of the colts and it goes down 25% to 1.5 million but the filly tc purse goes down by 75% to 250k? no wonder no one bothers with it, especially on short rest. that is my point. it is irrelevant, both pursewise and stature wise. no one cares about it.
and those other races you are trying to copare it to? lolol. first off, when was the last time someone tried to make a case for the honeymoon or the ruffian as being a part of the national tc for fillies? also the vanity is for older mares cait, and i believe that is the second time that has been pointed out to you. i also agreed with jon i believe it was when i said yes the vanity is a small field and disappointing field without beholder.
lets get those facts straight cait.
just because i didnt bet a horse out of the santa anita oaks doesnt mean im slamming it. i bet the winner of the ky oaks. and didnt like stellar wind or luminance before she scratched. once again, cait, regardless of what you want to think or try to convince others of, im not biased. i play horses based on their ability and bet races based on their attractiveness value wise. not because i live 3 blocks away from it or because it used to be relevant. |
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Post by mackdaddy on May 11, 2015 16:15:56 GMT -5
Ky oaks, Mother Goose and Alabama are the 3 primary races for 3 year old fillies in the east. Pardon me for not mentioning SA. The track has some good ones. Sorry I can't recall them.
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Post by cait on May 11, 2015 16:18:25 GMT -5
not biased? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
The fact is there is not an official filly TC and there hasn't even been a supposed one for years. NY put together the Triple Tiara.
The Vanity reference was to point out purse $.
You have your opinions. Please stop confusing them with facts.
Gee - no mention of bloated purses? LOL And FTR I'm north (near PA) and it takes 25-30 mins to drive to Pimlico. Talk about "irrelevant"!! Please post the other reference to the Vanity.
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Post by cait on May 11, 2015 16:27:10 GMT -5
Mack - and the acorn which I think was the 3rd leg of the old, unofficial filly tc - George? the ny triple tiara is the mother goose, acorn and coaching club am oaks
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 16:50:23 GMT -5
Mack - and the acorn which I think was the 3rd leg of the old, unofficial filly tc - George? the ny triple tiara is the mother goose, acorn and coaching club am oaks The original Triple "Tiara" (always hated that name! The Queen wears a crown too!) was the Acorn at a mile, Mother Goose at 1-1/8 mile, and CCAO at 1-1/2 mile. They were spread out over six weeks. Now the official NTRA filly triple crown is the Acorn, CCAO, and Alabama. I don't know when they changed the three races, but it wasn't too long ago. The Kentucky, Maryland, and New York (Acorn) races were never connected, either officially or unofficially, until a few years ago. And it's still "umofficial". |
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Post by cait on May 11, 2015 16:52:59 GMT -5
thnx geo - yeah - ny keeps changing a lot - moving races to different tracks too
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 18:31:05 GMT -5
i didnt say it was official. but as i said, they advertise it that way and if you asked 10 average joe race goers from around the country, nine out of the ten would think that the black eyed susan is part of the filly tc, official or not.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 18:37:46 GMT -5
not biased? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL The fact is there is not an official filly TC and there hasn't even been a supposed one for years. NY put together the Triple Tiara. The Vanity reference was to point out purse $. You have your opinions. Please stop confusing them with facts. Gee - no mention of bloated purses? LOL And FTR I'm north (near PA) and it takes 25-30 mins to drive to Pimlico. Talk about "irrelevant"!! Please post the other reference to the Vanity. speaking of the short fields in the peter pan and vanity, i said the following..........
and thats what belmont should be doing also. i hear people in hear bragging about how belmont still runs 5 or 6 days a week like its a good thing. why? if it makes the cards better then cutback to 4. but do they do that? no, they continue on running bad cards and it ruins the cards on the good days also.
i know it is that way in ca. also, but like i said, at least ca. has the excuse of not having the money to offer that these other tracks do due to slot money.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 18:55:32 GMT -5
the point is cait, and you can argue this all you want which you will because of your bias, is that the race is irrelevant, the overall racing is irrelevant, and the track is irrelevant. defend it if you want because its your hometown track and you have memories there, but the fact is they run one major race there that keeps them on the map. they are fortunate to be affiliated with the derby and belmont. that is the only thing that keeps them from being the maryland version of fairplex park.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 19:51:07 GMT -5
i didnt say it was official. but as i said, they advertise it that way and if you asked 10 average joe race goers from around the country, nine out of the ten would think that the black eyed susan is part of the filly tc, official or not. The first time I heard anything about these three races being linked (actually confused because NYRA has two races that have been linked to it!) was three or four years ago. I suspect it was a TVG/ADW marketing scheme, not necessarily the tracks themselves. But, in looking for the "history" of the three races, and the other two or three races in NY, I checked a few horses that have run in some of the races. The most impressive (at least from those I looked at) was Davona Dale - Calumet Farm / John Veitch, the Alydar connections. She ran in and won the Kentucky Oaks, Black-Eyed Susan, Acorn, Mother Goose, CCAO, all in the course of only eight weeks! She took a month off and then finished second in the Alabama and fourth in the Travers seven days later. Now THAT is how to train and race a horse. |
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Post by Nostradamus on May 11, 2015 20:12:52 GMT -5
I think the wiz is correct about the race being irrelevant. If macdaddy thinks that a horse that ran two races in life - a MSW and a ALW at the FG in mediocre times against mediocre horses, is going to demolish the field in the Black Eye Susan (and he may be right), then yes it must be an irrelevant race. lol.
Personally I have not looked at all the PP's yet of the horses in the race so I do not know myself. Give me a few minutes and I will get back with you on the winner. lol.
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Post by mackdaddy on May 11, 2015 20:43:42 GMT -5
Cap, I know what this horse is capable of. So MSW, to ALOW, to a Grade 3 is wrong? Jesus man, Neil Howard knows what he is doing. Nobody said this about big brown either. Watch and see
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Post by cait on May 11, 2015 20:50:27 GMT -5
Wiz - you are the one arguing - once again you know NOTHING about racing here - AND YOU ARE THE MOST BIASED POSTER ON THIS BOARD & CAN'T ADMIT IT - you really believe your opinions are facts because you said so - they're not - Fairplex? nope - that would be the day to day (not the few big race days) racing at Delmar lol you just keep on posting your crap about ny and md and everywhere else - you rarely say anything good about anything anyway- except yourself of course lol you are the friggin' instigator 98% of the time - then somewhere you whined that I was dissing some horse because you liked it (wasn't true) but all you ever do is diss md - read some trades and educate yourself before posting your stupid uniformed stuff poor l'il wizzie - dishes it out constantly but can't handle getting some back or anyone disagreeing with his OPINIONS
nick - ahh chocolate's a nice horse so far - there's a whole thread somewhere about her - got a late start I think
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 20:52:01 GMT -5
Cap, I know what this horse is capable of. So MSW, to ALOW, to a Grade 3 is wrong? Jesus man, Neil Howard knows what he is doing. Nobody said this about big brown either. Watch and see Ditto! A good horse is a good horse. Harkening back to one of my favorites (okay guys, pile on!!!!), Ruffian won a MSW, came back in her second race in a Grade 3, the rest is history. |
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Post by cait on May 11, 2015 21:04:56 GMT -5
agree mack - will be using her - excellent point about howard - defended her breeding (good!) on that other thread to keystone - she did get a late start right?
and most importantly, who's her jock? lolol
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