Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 21:44:55 GMT -5
Looking over the first two days of Belmont, what a farce.... Weds 1st Race: Welcome Back  5 entered 2nd: 7 entered 16,000 claimers 3rd: MDN CLM 6 entered 4th: 5 entered So over 4 races, 23 entered 5.6 per race ...You're better off playing Thistledowns 5th: 9 entered 6th: 8 entered 7th: 9 entered 8th: 10 entered 1-MTO 9th: MSW 10 entered Last 5 races better field size. 46 9.2 per race Thursday: 1st: MDN CLM 6 entered 2nd: MDN CLM 6 entered 3rd: 9 entered 4th: 7 entered 5th: 8 entered 6th: MSW 6 entered 7th: 8 entered 8th: 11 entered 1-MTO 3/8 MDN 3/8 16K, 50K, 25K claimers Yet another reason NOT to play NY racing |
|
teenagewildlife
Active Member
my mama said you better get things done, you better not mess with major tom
Posts: 761 
|
Post by teenagewildlife on Apr 26, 2015 23:20:23 GMT -5
Looking over the first two days of Belmont, what a farce.... Weds 1st Race: Welcome Back 5 entered 2nd: 7 entered 16,000 claimers 3rd: MDN CLM 6 entered 4th: 5 entered So over 4 races, 23 entered 5.6 per race ...You're better off playing Thistledowns 5th: 9 entered 6th: 8 entered 7th: 9 entered 8th: 10 entered 1-MTO 9th: MSW 10 entered Last 5 races better field size. 46 9.2 per race Thursday: 1st: MDN CLM 6 entered 2nd: MDN CLM 6 entered 3rd: 9 entered 4th: 7 entered 5th: 8 entered 6th: MSW 6 entered 7th: 8 entered 8th: 11 entered 1-MTO 3/8 MDN 3/8 16K, 50K, 25K claimers Yet another reason NOT to play NY racing i never really understood the fascination of beating up a race track that offers racing or betting or whatever interest one has around it. i guess these points you raise are no more than things to casually laugh or wisecrack about-- but nothing more. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 23:43:14 GMT -5
teen you are right. it is unnecesary i guess to put them down. i guess if you dont want to play it then dont play it. BUT i have to agree with pres on this one and his points he makes are true here. what irks me the most about it is that others are foolish enough to not only believe but also tout ny racing as being the best in the country jusst because of their purse sizes, but yet they still get fields like this. and on opening day? its an embarrasment to racing and sad that newcomers might see this track or states racing and assume or believe that this is the cream of the crop or as good as it gets without knowing any better. its a shame that some want racing or a track like this to be the poster child of american racing. there is much better out there if people would only look and see past the glitter of the bloated purses.
|
|
Jon
Administrator 
Posts: 4,669
|
Post by Jon on Apr 27, 2015 1:14:08 GMT -5
True TW! Think Wiz and Pres may have a side bet as to which can trash NY Racing the most LOL
Just ignore NY - Hell - play SA on Wed - oops - can't - not running. So play on Thurs - oops - can't - not running LOL Go for broke - play Flamboro!
In all fairness, the big stables are either in KY - it is Derby week - or in transit.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 2:03:33 GMT -5
why is it trashing ny jon just because it goes against what you want to hear? are those numbers not right?im just being honest about what is out there and what i see. can you say the same?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 6:44:34 GMT -5
True TW! Think Wiz and Pres may have a side bet as to which can trash NY Racing the most LOL Just ignore NY - Hell - play SA on Wed - oops - can't - not running. So play on Thurs - oops - can't - not running LOL Go for broke - play Flamboro! In all fairness, the big stables are either in KY - it is Derby week - or in transit. Jon Won't get into a pissing match with you on this. Numbers don't lie, the first 4 races on opening day are awful. About the big stables in KY,uhh NO.. The horses that are entered in Belmont couldn't run with what's entered on Friday & Saturday at CD. I was a huge supporter of NY racing until 3/4 years, even Stevie Wonder can see what the Politicians have been doing to the sport. They pretend things don't happen like the 3 hour delay in parking lots after last years Belmont. Jacobson/Rudy keep getting free passes. I can go on and on but won't. No where in this thread did I say don't bet NY races, I just stated FACTS on the first two cards..... |
|
lt1
Moderator 
Posts: 824
|
Post by lt1 on Apr 27, 2015 7:58:36 GMT -5
Ok I'll my 2 cents here. In my opinion NY racing may have what seems to some the best racing in the country. Whether that's true or not really doesn't matter. What does matter to those of us who wager is the playable races not purse sizes. NY runs too many mdn turf, and 3yr old races to make it a location for serious investors to play. And before I get accused of bashing NY racing I live 10 min from Bel and 25 from Aqu and started playing races on the NY circuit back in 1985 and use to laugh at tracks such as Parx, FL, etc. Today and for the past several years I make most of my bets on tracks such as Parx,FL, MVR, TDN, INDY DOWNS. These tracks provide many more investment opportunities then NY daily. And for those who think that 5k claimers can't be trusted I'll go on record and state that they are more dependable then you think. Those races are easier to cap then trying to figure out fts and races with horses trying the turf for the first time and all kinds of distance changes. In other words there are less unknowns at these tracks then the NY tracks and as an investor I prefer not to deal with unknowns.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 12:44:40 GMT -5
Tim
Very well stated, certain people think because people bet more into the pools and purse size is bigger it's a better product... Just shows you how narrow minded they are...
Then again they really aren't gamblers anyway, just blowhards that play arm chair quarterbacks....
Funny how a keyboard and some Manhattans make a person brave.....
|
|
cait
Active Member
Posts: 3,821 
|
Post by cait on Apr 27, 2015 13:24:42 GMT -5
1. agree with lt - love FL!!
2. blame the pols and andy's hand-picked incompetent NYRA majority, not racing
3. could care less what wiz and pres say about ny as it's so old - yawn
4. 1 day - agree with jon re transit - check back in a week or so
5. 5.6 beats ZERO but of course that FACT was ignored
6. rumor is sa will cut to 3 days permanently because of lack of horses - all tracks are going to have problems maintaining large fields - the lower breeding stats have made their way to ALL tracks
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 14:05:45 GMT -5
i completely agree lt1 with everything you said, including the reliability factor of the horses at the smaller tracks. also, the fact that people will label you as a hater or biased for speaking facts and the truth. just because i dont hate bob and like playing speed horses usually instead of plodding runners, i have to be biased towards everything ca.? i was the first person to chastize and strike against ca. racing when they all went to flubber tracks. i started playing elsewhere because the racing was better. but it is better now, and if others cant see that then they are the ones who are biased. im not playing a certain track because of memories or what the surrounding area looks like. im not playing a certain track because of the size of the purses or because i know someone who works there. and i definately dont avoid a track because of my dislike for certain trainers there for personal reasons. but yet these are the kind of things others want to throw out there and say im biased. im not biased. im just truthful and dont let foolish reasons determine what makes a good track to bet.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 14:11:44 GMT -5
1. agree with lt - love FL!! 2. blame the pols and andy's hand-picked incompetent NYRA majority, not racing 3. could care less what wiz and pres say about ny as it's so old - yawn 4. 1 day - agree with jon re transit - check back in a week or so 5. 5.6 beats ZERO but of course that FACT was ignored 6. rumor is sa will cut to 3 days permanently because of lack of horses - all tracks are going to have problems maintaining large fields - the lower breeding stats have made their way to ALL tracks very wrong. 5.6 does not beat zero. 3 good days of racing beats 4 or 5 days of bad racing any day of the week.
so old? but is it true? ignore the facts cait as you love to do.
|
|
cait
Active Member
Posts: 3,821
|
Post by cait on Apr 27, 2015 15:07:40 GMT -5
lmao - yeah - really big fields at sa on Friday - facts? you don't know the meaning of the word!
Fact:
Fri 5.75 @sa 7,75 @ Belmont
i don't ignore FACTS - just understand your OPINIONS aren't FACTS lol you are very very "selective"
it's simple - don't bet the track!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 17:29:15 GMT -5
1. agree with lt - love FL!! 2. blame the pols and andy's hand-picked incompetent NYRA majority, not racing 3. could care less what wiz and pres say about ny as it's so old - yawn 4. 1 day - agree with jon re transit - check back in a week or so 5. 5.6 beats ZERO but of course that FACT was ignored 6. rumor is sa will cut to 3 days permanently because of lack of horses - all tracks are going to have problems maintaining large fields - the lower breeding stats have made their way to ALL tracks Cait Just wanted to let you know I was at Belmont EVERY day they had live racing... So I did like the product, HATE what they have done to it and won't put a nickel into their pools anymore until they go private. |
|
cait
Active Member
Posts: 3,821
|
Post by cait on Apr 27, 2015 17:51:49 GMT -5
i agree it was better before dumbo andy took over (he wants the $) he's not the brightest - his dad didn't really support racing but he also didn't try to ruin it - yes there was corruption then but this type of "legal, political" corruption is worse
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 23:23:12 GMT -5
lmao - yeah - really big fields at sa on Friday - facts? you don't know the meaning of the word! Fact: Fri 5.75 @sa 7,75 @ Belmont i don't ignore FACTS - just understand your OPINIONS aren't FACTS lol you are very very "selective" it's simple - don't bet the track! i dont and i wont. but does that stop you from bashing california racing? practice what you preach. i said last year i would never bet another race at churchill other then the derby, and i havent. other then the belmont card, i also have not made a bet at a new york track other then bayern in the saratoga race in over a year. |
|
cait
Active Member
Posts: 3,821
|
Post by cait on Apr 28, 2015 13:56:24 GMT -5
why is it trashing cali wiz just because it goes against what you want to hear? are those numbers not right?im just being honest about what is out there and what i see
and pres and lt - politics and racing need to be differentiated - you're reacting as andy hoped - what will you say when he forces ny racing oob? (his ultimate dream - not going to happen although aqueduct will probably be sold)rather than sit back and nitpick, wouldn't it better to support the horse industry?
facts?- yep - facts about the 1st 2 belmont races but also facts about Friday's cards - those stats are meaningless
all this crap and trashing isn't necessary but when you post them expect responses even tho wiz's responses will then be the usual baseless accusations
simply creating this thread smacks of hating - yeah yeah- deny it - lol
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 14:24:39 GMT -5
why is it trashing cali wiz just because it goes against what you want to hear? are those numbers not right?im just being honest about what is out there and what i see and pres and lt - politics and racing need to be differentiated - you're reacting as andy hoped - what will you say when he forces ny racing oob? (his ultimate dream - not going to happen although aqueduct will probably be sold)rather than sit back and nitpick, wouldn't it better to support the horse industry? facts?- yep - facts about the 1st 2 belmont races but also facts about Friday's cards - those stats are meaningless all this crap and trashing isn't necessary but when you post them expect responses even tho wiz's responses will then be the usual baseless accusations simply creating this thread smacks of hating - yeah yeah- deny it - lol its trashing because you do it out of spite, for no reason and it is 90% aimed at one guy who you dont like for personal reasons. i bad mouth ny for the overall product. not because i hate one individual or one entity. btw the whole using certain politicians as scapegoats thing is getting old. who elected these people? if the people of ny and ny racing are that stupid to put these people in charge of their product then the product should be labeled what it is.......shitty. it has nothing to do with what i want to hear. what i say all the time is that even without the bloated purses, ca. still attracts the top jocks (not all of them but their good share), top trainers and definately top 2 and 3 year olds every year.they also handle more money then just about every other track out there even though they race fewer days. who cares if they race 3 days a week as long as it is good racing? and btw, you want to compare a friday card at santa anita, which is like a thursday at most tracks, to an opening day or week card at belmont? really?
|
|
cait
Active Member
Posts: 3,821
|
Post by cait on Apr 28, 2015 14:29:36 GMT -5
you are wrong - plain and simple - wrong - we all know the product has declined -everywhere. why have you never posted about the cutback in cali's racing days and their small fields? the comparison was 2 fri cards, not fri vs wed - and fri is opening day for the new sa meet - it's "like a Thursday?" lmao - no dear, it is friday
your accusations are fairy tales because you are trying to support your ridiculous accusations - no facts there - just wiz's spin -
it is YOUR OPINION that the best jocks and trainers are in ca - my OPINION is different -
damn - get over yourself lol truly, as grandma would say, "the pot calling the kettle black"!!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 19:45:02 GMT -5
because i dont think there is a problem with the cutback in racing days, that is why. i think it is something others need to do as well. i have no problem with a 3 day race week with good racing on those days rather then a 5 or 6 day week running a bunch of crap.
new meet? really? lolol that is hillarious. regardless of what it says on commercials or what you may want to think, this is not the same as a new meet. where have they been running cait? right there at anita, thats where. there is no influx of new horses coming in from another closing track. there is no new barns showing up after resting their horses instead of running at a different meet. it is the same old meet, a completely different situation from belmont, where a lot of trainers are coming into after having skipped the hell hole known as aqueduct.
did i say all of the best jocks and trainers? no i didnt. i said some of. but i can admit that. can you? or do you still think the best ones are some 50 or 60 year old dudes riding or training at off the wall, b- level tracks just because you know them or like them?
|
|
cait
Active Member
Posts: 3,821
|
Post by cait on Apr 28, 2015 20:57:06 GMT -5
enough - this thread is about Belmont- i respect your OPINIONS - i don't agree with them - but - when someone disagrees, you go on the friggin' attack - i've always admitted my bias for my home tracks - you never have and you, without any doubt, are amazingly biased lol
you started this thread as bs and it has continued as such - of course you'll deny that but everyone knows it's true - you have ignored responses that prove you incorrect and btw - who are all of these out of town trainers showing up at sa? and it IS considered a new meet - no carryover, no standings - that's a fact
am done - am glad belmont's opening and know it will only get better - it does get shippers, fields will increase when stables return from their winter retreats - i'll bet it more often than sa -
now, I'm done with this other than to tell you to read your posts (full of untruths however I agree they are your opinions) to yourself - you do exactly what you accuse others of doing
|
|
5 entered
