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Post by teenagewildlife on Jul 28, 2014 14:43:55 GMT -5
Hope this is a breakout race for Candy Boy! www.drf.com/news/candy-boy-tapiture-meet-west-virginia-derbyThe Grade 2, $750,000 West Virginia Derby, the headliner on a nine-stakes card Saturday at Mountaineer Casino, Racetrack and Resort near Chester, has drawn a field of nine, including Candy Boy, who will ship in from Southern California for trainer John Sadler, and Tapiture, who is based at Saratoga with Steve Asmussen.
West Virginia Derby Day is the highlight of the racing year at Mountaineer and has a special 2 p.m. Eastern first post, rather than the usual 7 p.m. start time.
Candy Boy will be Sadler’s first starter at Mountaineer. On Monday, Sadler said Candy Boy would be flown from Southern California to Louisville, Ky., and then make the 370-mile van ride to Mountaineer. Sadler will be on hand for the race.
Candy Boy, who drew post 9, is coming off a second to Shared Belief in the $500,000 Los Alamitos Derby on July 5. That was his first start since a troubled trip in the Kentucky Derby, where he was bumped several times nearing and entering the first turn.
Sadler said the timing of this race was better for Candy Boy than last week’s Haskell Invitational.
“The West Virginia Derby had more appeal for us than the Haskell, which would have only given us three weeks between races,” he said. “Monmouth can be a speed-favoring track, too, and my horse has a lot of stamina.”
Corey Nakatani will come in to ride Candy Boy. The only time Nakatani has ridden at Mountaineer was on West Virginia Derby Day in 2012. In three mounts that day, he won the Derby and the West Virginia Governor’s Cup for Asmussen and was second in the West Virginia Senate President’s Cup for Todd Pletcher.
Asmussen will be shooting for his fifth West Virginia Derby win. His previous winners were Macho Macho (2012), Soul Warrior (2009), Zanjero (2007), and Real Dandy (2005).
Tapiture, post 5, is a two-time stakes winner this year. He won the Grade 3 Southwest at Oaklawn in February and in his last start drew off to win the Grade 3 Matt Winn at Churchill Downs.
The other West Virginia Derby entrants are Louisiana Derby winner Vicar’s in Trouble (post 4, trainer Mike Maker), Divine View (Larry Jones, post 7), For Goodness Sake (Mike Tomlinson, post 2), Classic Giacnroll (Lisa Guerrero, post 3), Gold Appointment (Robert Rockwell, post 6), Only I Know (Debra Rombis, post 8), and Key for Success (Tommy Shorter, post 1).
Two of the entrants are a bit unusual. Only I Know is a West Virginia-bred who is winless in his last five starts, the last four in allowance company, and Key for Success is a maiden.
The eight stakes on the West Virginia Derby undercard are topped by the $200,000 West Virginia Governor’s Stakes, a 1 1/16-mile race for 3-year-olds and up. The other seven stakes are each worth $100,000 and include a pair of 2-year-old stakes, a pair of turf stakes, and three sprints.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 18:03:12 GMT -5
wow. what a putrid field for 750k!! I mean there are 4 horses in here who range from good to above average to a notch below the best. but the other five are horrible. candy boy still hasn't taken that step forward that I thought he would, but I think he is still best in here over vicars in trouble. tapiture would rank third and then divine spirit a possible contender. definitely not the field that ran in the Haskell. hopefully candy boy can get some confidence with a win here and get back on the right path.
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Post by cait on Aug 1, 2014 14:31:32 GMT -5
yes wiz - all east coast fields are bad - per you lmao - it's true this one has the oinker candy boy as the "headliner" though if he doesn't beat this field it's time for him to head to java bore's retirement home Candy Boy tops West Virginia Derby Brisnet A vintage year for California-based three-year-old colts could become even more memorable if Candy Boy makes a successful invasion of Mountaineer for the Grade 2, $750,000 West Virginia Derby on Saturday. The 1 ⅛-mile feature, which attracted a field of nine, is the highlight of an all-stakes, nine-race card that is traditionally Mountaineer's lone foray into daytime racing during its extended Thoroughbred meet. In the shadows of such standouts as California Chrome, whom he chased in the Santa Anita Derby and Kentucky Derby, and champion Shared Belief, who he finished second to last out in the Los Alamitos Derby, Candy Boy will attempt to earn his first stakes win since taking the Robert B. Lewis at Santa Anita in February and follow-up on the success of Bayern in last weekend's Haskell Invitational. It will not be an easy task. Tapiture has three graded stakes wins to his credit, including a 4 ¼-length tally in the Southwest at Oaklawn in February. Last time, the Tapit colt rebounded from a poor showing in the Kentucky Derby to claim the Matt Winn at Churchill Downs by two lengths. Vicar's in Trouble, the Louisiana Derby winner, could be the most dangerous of the three. The Mike Maker trainee did not show his customary foot as the 7-5 favorite in the Iowa Derby last out, and ultimately faded to third over a sloppy track. If able to outbreak the other speed, which have less class, Vicar's in Trouble could replicate the form that produced two graded stakes wins at Fair Grounds last winter. The big three all raced in the Kentucky Derby, though none were much of a factor. Candy Boy finished 13th and Tapiture 15th after meeting trouble in the first turn, while Vicar's in Trouble also was roughed up en route to trailing the field of 19. The remainder of the field all have form to find. For Goodness Sake has landed in a tough spot for his stakes debut, but daylight maiden and allowance wins during the Churchill spring meet mark him as a progressive sort. Classic Giacnroll finished second in the Jerome back in January, but has picked up only minor checks against easier since. Divine View, runner-up against allowance foes at Delaware Park last time, and the Louisiana-bred stakes winner Gold Appointment, complete the field along with extreme outsiders Only I Know and Key for Success. Moonshine Mullin, whose five-race win streak includes back-to-back wins in the Churchill Downs' major spring stakes for older horses, the Stephen Foster Handicap and Alysheba, headlines the $200,000 West Virginia Governor's at 1 1/16 miles. Likely to keep the ex-claimer on his toes is multiple Grade 3 winner Falling Sky, who stretches back out after taking the Gulfstream Park Sprint Championship and Donald LeVine Memorial in two of his last four starts. A swift pace might aid Carve, last-out winner of the Prairie Meadows Cornhusker Handicap, and the classic-placed Mylute, unplaced twice behind Moonshine Mullin at Churchill Downs and in the Suburban Handicap last time. Noted sprint star Delaunay figures to be an overwhelming favorite in the $100,000 Senator Robert C. Byrd Memorial over six furlongs. The Tom Amoss-trained seven-year-old has won numerous stakes throughout the Midwest and Louisiana, highlighted by graded scores in the Churchill Downs and Aristides in Louisville. Mico Margarita , who's finished behind Delaunay in their two recent outings, is back to oppose. Other possible contenders include multiple stakes veterans Star Harbour, Res Judicata, Ghost Is Clear, Russell Road and Lucy's Bob Boy. A more contentious race might be the $100,000 West Virginia Secretary of State. The six-furlong dash for fillies and mares includes the venerable seven-year-old Winning Image, a prominent force on the Mid-Atlantic circuit, and Flattering Bea, who landed the Sugar Maple at Charles Town in April and was runner-up in this event last year. The Kentucky invaders Sweet Cassiopeia, Aireofdistinction, and Anahauc also merit respect. The $100,000 West Virginia House of Delegates, at one mile and 70 yards on turf, features Regally Ready, a past winner of the Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint who has developed into a capable miler in the region. He earned back-to-back wins at Churchill Downs in May, including the $64,000 Opening Verse. Free World, hero of the $207,000 Centaur at Indiana Downs last season, was a solid fifth in the Firecracker at Churchill last time and might prove tough to catch. Coalport, a multiple stakes winner campaigned by Ken and Sarah Ramsey, is another leading contender in his second start off a layoff. The top two finishers from Mountaineer's version of the Firecracker, a $75,000 stakes for fillies and mares run on July 2, highlight a contentious renewal of the $100,000 West Virginia Senate President's Cup at one mile and 70 yards on the turf. La Malaguena and Sassy Kitten were separated by a neck in that heat, but will need their running shoes on to cope with graded stakes-placed veterans Moment in Dixie and Queen's Award, as well as Canadian invader Surtsey and the capable pair of Quiet Success and Soft Whisper. Recent maiden winners Tapitsphere and Gotta Get Paid should attract plenty of support in the $100,000 Mountaineer Juvenile over six furlongs, but the respective Churchill and Indiana Grand graduates figure to be challenged by the swift Arlington-based colt Creaky Cricket, and Hashtag Bourbon, a son of Kentucky Derby winner Super Saver who could improve off his debut third at Churchill. A. P.'s Glory figures to be an overwhelming favorite to follow up her 7 ½-length Arlington debut victory with a score in the $100,000 Mountaineer Juvenile Fillies, also at six furlongs. Another daylight maiden winner, Brennan, exits an eight-length romp at Penn National, while Churchill maiden winner Rachel's Ready was never involved after a slow break in the $108,000 Debutante last time.v Uncle Todd, who has won three straight by a combined margin of 21 ¼ lengths, will try and outgun 10 rivals in the $100,000 West Virginia Legislature Chairman's Cup going 4 ½ furlongs. Among those hoping to keep pace with that one are Amarish, Debt Ceiling, No Distinction, Beat Seattle, and Grade 3 turf winner Berlino Di Tiger. WEST VIRGINIA DERBY DRAW Post Horse ML Odds 1 Key for Success 50-1 2 For Goodness Sake 6-1 3 Classic Giacnroll 12-1 4 Vicar's in Trouble 3-1 5 Tapiture 5-2 6 Gold Appointment 20-1 7 Divine View 10-1 8 Only I Know 50-1 9 Candy Boy 9-5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 15:34:19 GMT -5
ok so I praise the field in the Haskell, which the last time I checked was on the east coast, and the jim dandy which is also on the east coast, but because I point out that the west viginia derby field sucks, im hating on the east? wtf? your starting to make as much sense as re tatrdnick. if anything it would be the opposite since it is a west coast horse (and favorite of mine) who is headlining this crappy field.
btw if candy boy needs to retire off of his performances, I guess 98% of the horses in the country need to also. how many times has he been off the board this year other then the derby, where he got mugged and swashbuckled on the first turn? he also just ran second to the second best 3 yr. old in the country in his last. but I guess he could be like crappy and have it take him until well into his 4 yr. old campaign that he even starts being competitive enough to win some off the wall canadien stks. how many lengths did crappy get beat when he was running against the top 3 yr. olds last year in those same type races candy boy is in now? yeah, that's what I thought.
don't be mean or sad cait just because the ca. horses ship out and win everything under the sun............. and yet somehow some delusional people still think the 2 and 3 yr. olds in the east are better. lolol. even with the bloated purses back there, the best babies and tc trail horses still come from ca., like it or no!!
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Post by byanose13 on Aug 1, 2014 16:35:11 GMT -5
They are just glad Samraat is hurt because this field would be a walkover for him.
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Post by cait on Aug 2, 2014 12:47:31 GMT -5
wiz - am not arguing with you - you'll just respond with the sam old bs - bloated purses, crap daddy, saint bob - YAWN!! it is interesting though that of late, these fabulous 2nd tier calis are going to monmouth, mtnr - speed favoring tracks, drug tolerant states - and NOT NY - don't blame them - good $ to be made so why not? so - will bauyern show up at the spa and run with the big boys? nose - agree! even uncle sigh!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 16:38:26 GMT -5
wow you really are delusional. you need to lay off the pot brownies and wine because you have gone bonkers. what do you think he just beat in the Haskell? according to most on here, the filly was better then any of the boys.
the calis are shipping everywhere......as is everyone else to run in the big races. contrary to what you may believe, Saratoga isn't home to all the big races. the Haskell was a lot tought field with a bigger purse too then the jim dandy. that's where he went because that was the place to go. so if you don't blame them, then why bring it up? to start shit as usual.
uncle sigh? even samraat? how many times do they need to get beat now that they aren't facing ny breds and horses like classic giacanroll and Scotland? listen, I liked them both a little at one point during the year, but they both proved they don't belong with the best in the country, which is what usually happens when the ny 3 yr. olds strike out against the rest of the country.
same old bs? why should I change when its all true? sorry if you refuse to see and admit how it is in the real world.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 16:55:40 GMT -5
like I said, 3 decent horses and a field of bilge. whst was it, 20 lengths back to the 4th horse?
I wonder if nakatani has ever heard of something called the rail? someone needs to help him find it. 3-4 wide every step? really?
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Post by cait on Aug 3, 2014 12:20:57 GMT -5
lololol true? to you - once again you misinterpret your opinions as facts - aside from post 9, the rail at mouintaineer is DEAD - did rosie try to sneak up the rail or split horses (there was room? no! vicar's in trouble had to work too hard on the very deep rail. corey did the right thing - he gave cb a perfect ride - but - as always - whenever one of your picks loses, you come up with an excuse! i'll give you this - candy boy is a decent 2nd-3rd tier horse - actually a lot like frac d (a horse you just slam because i like him - although i am disappopinted he's become a synth horse as he matures) looks like you have your very own fd!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 16:29:13 GMT -5
do I need to enroll you in a geometry class for you to know the shortest distance between two points is a straight line? what race were you watching where you don't think rosie tried to get through on the rail? seriously, are you blind? she waited for room to get through down there while saving all the ground and then got sawed off when she couldn't, had to switch out and lose a length at least and then barely got up late. another very poor ride on her part btw for even getting into that predictament. especially in what was basically a 3 horse race with no other traffic. I like rosie but she hasn't been all that impressive the last 3 or 4 months. believe me, im not knocking tapiture here. he ran way better then I thought he would and he had plenty of trouble himself, but theres no way you go 3-4 wide the entire race at mountaineer and can expect to beat a horse hugging the rail the entire way. excuses? you got the wrong guy sister. your thinking of someone else. and comparing candy boy and crap daddy? lolol. maybe if candy boy gets deported we can have that conversation. where was crappy last year when running in these type races? oh yeah, he was getting beat by 50 lengths!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 23:34:15 GMT -5
I just watched the race again. rosie actually had a chance to get off the rail MIDTURN and still waited hoping to get a rail run, and you think she wante to go wide on purpose to stay off of it? lolol that is hilarious!!
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Post by cait on Aug 4, 2014 7:05:07 GMT -5
watch the head on - she was never on the rail until the far turn when the inside was the only place she could go - she never "hugged" the rail because at mntr that is not the way to win - she swung to the 3-4 path - that's not "wide" so lol yourself! shortest distance? get real wiz - it's not smart to run where it's deep and horses have to work a lot harder - you've never been to mntr - you know nada about the track - i know you cut your teeth on 1/4's and you live in cali where the tracks are speedways (especially on bc day lol) so you're all about speed -distance races on non speedways are something calis just don't get! it's why there are so few older horses running there - they are burned out by the time they reach 4 - besides zen, enlighten me - name some real closers out of cali (not those laying off the lead) - closers
you wanted corey to cut over from the 9 hole to the rail? cb doesn't have enough kick to close from last - especially if he's exhausted from pulling his ankles out of the deep sand for a mile and an 1/8th - he is not a real closer - he's just not a top tier horse - and you slam rosie's ride? lmao she won didn't she? jeff siegal had nothing but praise for corey's ride as did most - will take his word over your biased OPINION - cb just didn't have it to hold on - it was close but he still lost - if he belonged in the top tier, he would have won easy
what is hilarious is how you watch a race is as biased as your summaries of a race
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Post by cait on Aug 4, 2014 7:08:56 GMT -5
and since i love ya, am not responding to anything you post on this thread - we're not going to agree - we both know that - know you prolly lost a bunch but also know you know better than to keep going backwards - race is over - your insults are pissing me off btw because you know better
(ev - get back here so he can pick on you - am sick of it lol)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 3:10:23 GMT -5
I never said she went wide. I said she swung out after getting sawed off. I then said you would rather see her go wide then stay on the rail. im gonna tell you something missy. don't even attempt to lecture me on tape watching or th configuration or biases of a track. ive been watching tapes for 25 years, before most people even knew they were available. what the hell does being there have to do with knowing the track? do you think something changes because your in the grandstand instead of watching it on a tv? have you walked the track cait? if not, the fact that you have been there doesn't mean squat. good to see your record is still intact though with you managing to throw in a shot at something asbout ca. in every single post you make. sound to me like a little girl who slugs the boy in the arm that she likes in 2nd grade. are you really in love with cali and bob and doug and just don't know how to express yourself? why would they want to be closers out here? closers are for suckers. keep playing them cait and you will get burned way more often with bad trips the frontrunners will. zenyatta? give me a time frame here. your already ging back 5 years. do you want horses through the years or horses running now, because im sure I can name both. but there wont be as many currently becauise the trainers running today don't train their horses to be closers. why would they? no one, and I mean no one, in their right miond would rather train or own a closer then a frontrunner. if you cant or wont see that, well then your beyond help. I have forgotten more about watching races and note taking then you will ever know cait, and that is one statement you will never hear me backtrack on or apologize for.
also if you read any of my posts before the race, which im sure you don't because you never seem to quote anyone right or know what they said. you will that I never said before this race that any of these horse were in the top tier. I was the one that said it was a shitty field, remember? I said there were three horses who ranged from above average a notch below the best. where do you see top tier in my thoughts on these horses? I have downgraded candy boy to second tier, and said it right here. try reading the posts before you put words in other peoples mouths. btw I see you pushing jeff siegals thought on here all the time like they mean something. that guy is a F*ing criminal and a liar and nothing he says means anything to me. keep using him and ray paulick as your go to guys. im sure you'll do great with that.
another assumption wrong btw. I didn't bet a dollar on the race. not one.
but your insults are fine, right? you are right. I should know better. using logic and reasoning is never a real strong way to go when it come to dealing with you or your pp sister.
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Post by cait on Aug 5, 2014 13:47:30 GMT -5
much as i don't wanna do this.........lol rosie was not on the rail until she had no place to go - never said you said she went wide - said she was smart enough to stay off of the rail (as was corey) until she had no choice - don't need to walk the course - wouldn't matter to you anyway because obviously you don't consider track surfaces - that's fine - w/e so........... sir king of personal insults who always does what ev says - does exactly what he accuses others of doing lol - wth is "missy"?
yeah - ev and i are prolly the only 2 (ohmigod) females who dispute your bs - logic? such as the shortest distance..............no matter what the surface is - in a race with turns (not a straight line) - nah - totally illogical
as to your "forgotten" statement - prolly true for 1/4's - prolly true for watching vids - totally not true for knowing horses as living breathing animals, not machines - as to the rest - for shame dear -
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 16:11:53 GMT -5
STOP THE BULLSHIT. YOU START WITH THE PERSONAL INSULTS YOURSELF AND THEN RUN AND CRY WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING SMARTASSED BACK TO YOU? YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE REALLY TIRESOME, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU APPARRENTLY HACVE NO IDEA HOW I HANDICAP A RACE OR WHAT GOES INTO HANDICAPPING A RACE SUCCESFULLY. I DONT CONSIDER TRACK SURFACES? I SPEND ORE TIME WORRYING ABOUT HOW A TRACK IS PLAYING THEN MOST DO ON AN ENTIRE CARD OF HANDICAPPING. SPEED VS. CLOSERS, INSIDE VS. OUTSIDE, FAST OR SLOW FOR THE DAY, ETC. LETS LOOK AT THE REST OF THE CARD ON THIS DAY. DID YOU EVEN WATCH ANOTHER RACE THERE THAT DAY?
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
NOW THOSE WERE THE ONLY OTHER TWO TURN RACES ON THAT DAY. DO I NEED TO RECAP THE SPRINTS TOO? THE POINT IS THE JOURNEY THERE THAT IS WANTED IS WHAT IT IS AT MOST TRACKS. UP CLOSE TO THE PACE OR RIGHT OFF OF IT LAPPED ON AND 2 WIDE AT THE MOST. AND IF YOU NEED TO SWING OUT OUT WIDE, YOU DO IT LATE ON THE TURN AND INTO THE LANE LIKE A SLINGSHOT, NO THE ENTIRE WAY OR THE WHOLE TURN, LOSING WAY TO MUCH GROUND. WHAT IS MISSY? IT IS SLANG FOR MISS, MRS. OR MAAM. A TERM FOR A FEMALE. ARE YOU GOING TO TURN THAT INTO SOMETHING TO GRIPE ABOUT ALSO?
SO YOU'VE NEVER WALKED THE COURSE BUT THINK YOU CAN TELL HOW IT PLAYS BETTER BY BEING THERE LIVE THEN SOMEONE ELSE CAN FROM WATCHING THE RACES ON A SCREEN, READING THE CHARTS, AND WATCHING THE RAPLAYS? WOW, DO YOI HAVE LIKE SPIDEY SENSE OR SOMETHING. DID YOU GET BIT BY A HORSE AS A CHILD AND NOW YOU CAN SEE THINGS THROUGH THEIR EYES THAT US COMMON FOLK CANT?
I ALSO NEVER SAID THAT THERE CANT BE REASONS TO STAY OFF OF THE RAIL AND TAKE THE LONGER ROUTE, BUT THE SHORTEST DISTANCE IS ON THE RAIL AND THERE WAS NO REASON TO THINK IT WASNT THE PLACE TO BE SATURDAY. YOU JUST ASSUIME IT WASNT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST?
PLUS I LOVE YOU LAST PARAGRAPH WITH YOUR DR. DOOLITLE COMMENT. EVRY TIME SOMETHING COMES DOWN TO REASONING OR LOGIC OR PERCENTAGES, YOU LOVE TO THROW A COMMENT LIKE THAT IN THERE. LIKE YOUR THE ONLY ONE THAT CARES ABOUT THE ANIMALS SO THAT MAKES YOUR WAY OF THINKING RIGHT OR DEFENDABLE. WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE CONVERSATION WERE HAVING ABOUT HOW THE TRACK WAS PLAYING OR WHAT THE BEST TRIP WOULD HAVE BEEN? YOU SOUND LIKE A POLITICIAN. SKIRTING THE ISSUE WITH NONSENSE THAT ISNT RELEVANT. WHATS NEXT? ARE YOU GONNA PUT UP A PICTURE OF YOU HOLDING A NEW BORN FOAL AND GIVING IT A KISS LIKE THEY DO AT ELECTION TIME AS YOUR AVATAR?
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Post by cait on Aug 5, 2014 21:41:16 GMT -5
it's a red letter day - wiz asked, wiz received!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 23:04:25 GMT -5
perfect. at least now we know no one will be confused as to what your expertise is in the game of racing. it certainly isn't trip handicapping.
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Post by cait on Aug 6, 2014 8:23:30 GMT -5
your opinion wizzie - but yeah - on the forum i'll leave that to nick
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 11:38:15 GMT -5
I HAVE NO COMMENT ON THAT. IF I MENTION HIM HE WILL TAKE IT UPON HIMSELF TO INSERT HIS HEAD BACK INTO MY Ahole!!
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