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Post by Evelyn on Jul 5, 2014 22:13:20 GMT -5
TY Mr. Speaker and the OLD FASHIONED but EXCELLENT Shug! They made my day! Another 'Big' success story for NYRA Bob Ehalt Blog ESPN On a day when some people would like to see the New York Racing Association run the Belmont Stakes, a considerably smaller but nonetheless enthusiastic crowd turned out to watch "a big day" of racing unfold on a beautiful July afternoon. Granted, there were only 11,184 persons on hand at Belmont Park for the inaugural Stars and Stripes Day -- compared to more than 102,000 on Belmont Stakes Day -- and the purse money was about half of what was at stake a month earlier when the final leg of the Triple Crown was contested. Yet if it is NYRA's goal to create an entertaining afternoon of racing by bundling rich stakes together, it was successful once again -- and this time hopefully without the customer service nightmares that plagued the Belmont Stakes. There were five graded stakes offered at Belmont Park on the first Saturday in July, with two of them grass races for 3-year-olds carrying a purse of $1 million or more. There was also the $500,000 Suburban Handicap for older horses, plus the $400,000 Belmont Sprint Championship and the $200,000 Dwyer for those 3-year-olds that were late to the Triple Crown dances. The end result was five great races and a concept that seems to winning over an audience both with fans and horsemen. Chad Brown, who had every right to a be a very happy man after winning both the $1 million Belmont Oaks with Minorette and $500,000 Suburban with Zivo, said he bases his reaction to NYRA's big days on what he hears from his owners. So far, he said, "all I have heard is positive things about it." he ability to attract four international runners for the $1.25 million Belmont Derby and five for the $1 million Belmont Oaks certainly reflects well on NYRA's decision to repackage two Grade 1 turf stakes in the fall, the Jamaica for males and Garden City for fillies, into the Derby and Oaks. Helping the cause with bettors is that both races attracted large field and had a pair of attractive payoffs. Mr Speaker, owned by the famed Phipps Stable and trained by 2013 Kentucky Derby winner Shug McGaughey, won the inaugural Belmont Derby and paid a robust $49 for beating nine rivals. The Suburban had a field of 11 that Zivo outran and returned $29.40 to his backers. In the Belmont Oaks, there was a field of 10 and Minorette paid $14.60 for her first victory in three U.S. starts. Big fields, nice payoffs. In an era when many graded stakes attract only a handful of horses, NYRA has clearly latched on to a winning formula. "When I saw the [Belmont Oaks], it was replacing the Garden City, a race we had won the last two years. So I liked it where [the Garden City] was," Brown said. "It gave me all year to point to the race and I won it with two Europeans I got in the summer. When I saw this early in the year, I was concerned, but in the end it was a great idea [to move and rename the race]. It's a lot of money and a lot of horses from all over the world came for it, and we were still able to have a horse good enough to win it. Now that we know where it is on the schedule, we'll point to it." All of which was nothing but sweet music to the ears of NYRA officials like CEO and President Chris Kay. "Things are going along great," Kay said following the Belmont Derby. "We're very pleased so far. It was a good concept and we're going to try to build on it. We want to make it even more attractive for owners and trainers to run their horses on these big days. We're doing what other major sports do in building up their big days." Two big days down in 2014, NYRA has plenty of reasons to smile. With Saratoga around the corner, and stakes bonanzas planned for the Whitney and Travers, fans, too, can take heart. Even without the Triple Crown, racing seems to have a recipe for success. NYRA/Adam Coglianese Mr Speaker gave fans a big thrill and an even bigger upset in the Belmont Derby Invitational.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 16:39:04 GMT -5
lolol. of course hes going to hear positive thngs about it from his owners. im sure they love the idea of running for bloated purses. but my question is this. weren't you the one ev who said they were going to create these days to rival the breeders cup, which according to you, everyone is sick of? well on a bright sunny day on the 4th of july with gigantic purses, and they still only drew 11k people? let me know when the next BC at santa anita draws 11k or less.
racing is not like other sports. trying to build it up for big days like this will not help in the long run. especially when tracks are doing it 2 or 3 times a year.
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Post by Evelyn on Jul 6, 2014 20:26:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure I like these "big days" but they have been very successful. As far as the BC goes, 11K is probably how many paid admissions they will have LOL If you lived in the city, you'd know the 4th is a big getaway weekend. Let me know when SA has 11K on a Sat.
I never said everyone's sick of the BC - I did say the viewing #'s and handle #'s indicate it's not as popular as it should be or used to be. It declines every year. You can blather all you want but #'s don't lie. And yes, I don't like it any more because it's become a joke as a "World Championship". You hate Euros but if I want to see real champs race head to head, I watch that. But the BC is good for CA racing as it provides them some much needed revenue and it allows those poor owners and trainers who are too chicken to ship for "bloated purses" at least one day where they have CA "bloated purses" There were better and probably more Euro horses at Belmont yesterday than will show up for the CA Championship Day!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 4:26:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure I like these "big days" but they have been very successful. As far as the BC goes, 11K is probably how many paid admissions they will have LOL If you lived in the city, you'd know the 4th is a big getaway weekend. Let me know when SA has 11K on a Sat. I never said everyone's sick of the BC - I did say the viewing #'s and handle #'s indicate it's not as popular as it should be or used to be. It declines every year. You can blather all you want but #'s don't lie. And yes, I don't like it any more because it's become a joke as a "World Championship". You hate Euros but if I want to see real champs race head to head, I watch that. But the BC is good for CA racing as it provides them some much needed revenue and it allows those poor owners and trainers who are too chicken to ship for "bloated purses" at least one day where they have CA "bloated purses" There were better and probably more Euro horses at Belmont yesterday than will show up for the CA Championship Day! but this was no ordinary Saturday. it was their BIG DAY and they still only drew 11k and gave away 7 billion dollars in purses to get them!! also I doubt that the CITY is short on people no matter what day it is and people in every city do things on 4th of july weekend. hell los Alamitos drew 6k on a Thursday last week and then 4500 Saturday and probably didn't give away 1/10th of the money in purses to get them in there. they also had plenty of toilet paper and hot dogs!! as far as the BC goes, I have tried to explain this before but you refuse to use logic or understand what I am saying, one or the other, due to your wishes to make it look bad. the viewing numbers DO lie and the handle isn't going down by any significant amounts. in fact, im pretty sure it has gone up most of the recent years. do you know how many people watch the BC on line or on tvg, xpressbet, twin spires, or even just the track feeds now a days? its not that people aren't watching. its just that they aren't watching the shitty programming provided by the networks. no serious players I know watch anything provided by the networks if they are looking for information or insightful commentary. they watch it to talk shit about it later. do you know how many people were watching the races online 30 years ago? zero! there was no internet. why is this so hard to understand? I don't hate European racing. Im just not interested in it. yes the turf racing over there is better. I never argue that. yes they have better horses now over there in those turf races. I don't argue that. but I don't bet it, I don't watch it, and I don't care. but I also don't go on the international threads and talk about it because I don't follow it. how many comments have I made on there in the last year? maybe two? im not on there hating on it just because It isn't what I want it to be. too chicken? why is it always the Californians responsibility to ship? beholder shipped back there, got hurt in the race, still ran a credible race, got beat, and you didt hear anyone whining, did you? POS ships out here, gets her head bashed in, and every easterner wants to cry about the track. wtc and mmm shipped out here and got trounced by a washed up GOD. they just ran the gold cup. where were the easterners? chicken? ive been listening to this same crap for 30 years when it comes to horses shipping. and like I said, its those bloated purses that are keeping horses from shipping. no one has to anymore because they just give the money away without having any top competition for the most part at many of these tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 7:25:48 GMT -5
wiz, the best day to visit Manhattan during the summer is the middle day of a three-day holiday weekend. You can DRIVE into the city and park just about anywhere on the street. The city is like a ghost town - it's amazing how many people leave the city on a weekend like this.
But even so, 11,000 was double the number of people on a typical June/July Saturday afternoon, and the total handle was $19M, about $8M more than the previous Saturday.
This is 2014, not 1974 - attendance over 10,000 on a Saturday is unusual.
As far as the Breeders' Cup is concerned, comparing the last two years (both at the same track with similar weather both days), attendance was up 4800 in 2013 vs. 2012 for both days, live handle was up only $214,000 - handle per person was down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 8:46:44 GMT -5
so like I said, nothing significant in either direction. my point is, the demise of the breeders cup and their poor ratings and handle is greatly exaggerated, and it is still far and above anything Belmont has tried to throw together as a replacement, regardless of what others try to convince people to believe.
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Post by byanose13 on Jul 7, 2014 17:57:03 GMT -5
Wiz they may be only able to get 11k into Keeneland unless the put seats on the roof
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 18:58:47 GMT -5
I don't know how bad it is there. ive never been. only going off of what you guys have said. but if that's the case, isn't that what all the BC bashers have wanted? god forbid they hold it at santa anita again or give it to del mar which is still in ca. before they hold it somewhere else. this is what all the whiners wanted, so if it really is that small and can only hold 11,000, well,..................congratulations!!!
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Post by mackdaddy on Jul 7, 2014 19:54:57 GMT -5
Nose, Keeneland aint hosting a BC for 11, 000 fans to walk through the gate. The track has a year and a half to get logistics and temp seats ready. Hell, if Arlington park can host a Million a month after a fire, Keeneland can do it with that amount of time to get prepared. If Lone Star can do it, anyone can
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 20:27:16 GMT -5
I just checked - the seating capacity as of now is 8799. That doesn't include the five or six restaurants or bars.
The most they've ever had there was 40,000 people.
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Post by mackdaddy on Jul 7, 2014 20:44:57 GMT -5
George if they can hold 60, 000 it would be successful. It been while since a BC attracted 80, 000 hasn't it? I say Keeneland can and will. This has been in the works for a while so they did their homework.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 21:09:21 GMT -5
I'm sure they'll find a way to handle it, I just hope they don't ruin the place in the process.
For comparison, Santa Anita has 26,000 seats, but they use their infield too, Belmont Park has 34,000 seats and Del Mar only 14,000.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 21:55:40 GMT -5
santa anita may only have 26k seats, but I have been there when they had 70k+ in attendance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 22:10:19 GMT -5
Yes, they have restaurants that seat a few thousand probably, the apron (not the one they have now which is cluttered) held a lot of people and they have an infield that holds thousands.
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Post by racinggal on Jul 7, 2014 23:03:13 GMT -5
George makes a very good point. Years ago, it was always crowded on Saturdays at the track. It's not that way any more. I loved Belmont's Saturday card, especially seeing some good European horses.
Biol Finley posted this today:
By The Numbers: Trying to break into the Southern California circuit as a major league thoroughbred track, Los Alamitos got off to a rough start. They handled a combined $8,603,581 for 18 total races over the weekend. Santa Anita, with 20 races, handled a combined $26,536,593 over the prior weekend. Los Alamitos features the same horses, trainers and jockeys that Santa Anita does. The difference is the brand. Santa Anita is considered the home of world-class racing, while many people no doubt still consider Los Alamitos a leaky roof quarter horse track. That Los Alamitos did very little to get the message out that a new and exciting era was to begin there obviously didn't help.
The news was far better last weekend at Belmont as the inaugural Stars & Stripes Festival did very well at both the betting windows and the turnstiles. NYRA went all in with the Saturday card, which included five stakes races, among them the newly created $1.25 Belmont Derby and the $1 million Belmont Oaks. Total handle for the 10-race card was $18,829,265, an increase of 37.2 percent year over year. The crowd was 11,118, a robust figure for this day and age.
At the Meadowlands, bettors reminded management that when you give them a good product they will respond. The inaugural Meadowlands Maturity was a rare harness race that included 14 starters and a deep competitive field. The race handled $423,394, a huge number for a harness race and $194,097 more than the prior race on the card.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 0:38:26 GMT -5
wtf is this jackass talking about? when was the last time he was at los al? the vessels club is nicer then anything they have at Belmont. exactly what was los al supposed to do that they didn't do to advertise? I live here in ca. and it was all over in commercials on tv, not just tvg. the problem has nothing to do with the facility. the problem is this meet is only a filler and a showcase to see what los al can handle and how the track holds up. its only an 8 day meet on a circuit where they race year round. even though many trainers have pledged their support, the fact is that many are taking this time just like they did fairplex. as a break. the fields are small so the handle is going to suffer. but in actuality those numbers aren't bad. this guys trying to compare apples and oranges. Belmont probably gave away 10x as much in purses if not more over that two day period to get those numbers, and it was belmonts BIG day. los al had one big race. also how can you even compare what Belmont did last year on this weekend to what they did this year? the races were completely different. a stupid article by an obviously biased writer.
btw thanks for the harness comparison. exactly what does that have to do with anything?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 7:30:06 GMT -5
Oh poor Bill Finley, he still seems lost half the time.
His comments about Belmont Park were right on the mark - it was a very good day - top class racing, big fields, good crowd and excellent handle. He should have just left it at that though.
He made a good point but ruined it with his idiotic comments about Los Alamitos. Obviously he's never been there. It was NEVER known as a "leaky roof quarter horse track"! In fact, for decades it was the top quarter horse track in the country - the "Belmont Park" of quarter horse racing. When I used to travel out to the LA area, if I was out there on a Friday night I preferred Los Alamitos to Hollywood Park (and NOT because of the neighborhood)
Comparing Los Alamitos to Belmont Park it idiotic, and putting down their attendance and handle, and comparing it to Saturday at Belmont Park is equally idiotic. Why didn't he compare Saturday's card to last year's equivalent Hollywood Park card? Last year attendance there was under 7,000 vs. 4,500 at Los Alamitos, but last year it was GOLD CUP DAY!
But wiz, although the Vessels Club is a top-notch restaurant, there are a couple at Belmont Park that are just as good, or better (even though they're impossible to compare)
Los Alamitos and Belmont Park are at the top of their relative spots in the industry. Bill, stop trying to compare two completely different tracks 3,000 miles apart. It's as stupid as comparing the Los Angeles Coliseum to Yankee Stadium (does that make sense???)
And then to throw in that inane comment about the Meadowlands? Give us a break. I saw that race, it was one of the most illogical races I've seen in decades. Fourteen trotters? Half the field broke before they went down the backstretch, and trying to handicap the race was next to impossible - you'd be better off buying a few lottery tickets.
But getting back to Belmont Park - the "experiment" of putting all of those good races together was a success. They had a relatively good crowd, big fields, and great handle. I hope if they do the same next year that they don't schedule it on the middle day of a three-day holiday weekend. If it was this coming weekend I'm sure they would have had a bigger crowd.
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Post by Evelyn on Jul 8, 2014 7:40:55 GMT -5
George - I agree. Having it on the holiday weekend wasn't great. People that don't live in NY don't understand. It is quiet because of "getting out of the city". We do have "tourists" for the fireworks but they are more like "local" tourists who come for the fireworks and then go home to NJ. CT etc. NYC is not a summer tourist attraction - except for bargain hunters LOL
Bill was right about Belmont. I don't get the comparison to Los Al either. It probably is the US premier 1/4 horse track but then, how many are there? Actually, having been there although not recently, Hialeah might be the best as there is (or was) no track as beautiful as Hialeah. Of course now, you have to take a few deep breaths to make it through the neighborhood to get to Hialeah! How did the Los Al numbers compare to the 1/4 horse numbers? Did they empty out the track between them or could people go and stay for both cards?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 11:33:15 GMT -5
the qh numbers are abysmal anymore. but yes you could stay, as always.
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