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Post by shooter29 on May 3, 2014 15:56:27 GMT -5
Great finish. Wise Dan pulls it out again. Courageous run by Seek Again as well. Thought he had him but Dan isn't the champ for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 3:53:12 GMT -5
you saw WTC yesterday? that's wise dan next time. that was not a very good field he beat today for a grade 1. yes he had a couple lengths of trouble, but I wasn't impressed with his overall performance. if he faces anyone who can run next time he goes down.
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Post by byanose13 on May 4, 2014 9:15:36 GMT -5
I tend to agree with you wiz as they said his last race was a needed tightener and this, his 2nd off a layoff, he would be fit and ready. if that was fit and ready then he maybe in trouble when he faces a better field than what he saw yesterday. His next race,3rd off layoff, should give us a definitive answer as long as the field is a stakes caliber field.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 9:39:06 GMT -5
Velazquez was strangling him for the first quarter or so, why I don't know (I read his reasoning, but I think that was merely an excuse) Sometimes when a horse is pulled back too hard or too long, they get discouraged.
You know, Velazquez did exactly the same thing in the beginning of his last race, too. Why doesn't he just let the horse go on his own? He's won 13 of 14 races on the turf, it's not like he doesn't know what he's doing in a race - just let him run his own race, and if he loses he loses. Yesterday's stranglehold almost cost him the race anyway.
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Post by shooter29 on May 4, 2014 21:05:15 GMT -5
you saw WTC yesterday? that's wise dan next time. that was not a very good field he beat today for a grade 1. yes he had a couple lengths of trouble, but I wasn't impressed with his overall performance. if he faces anyone who can run next time he goes down. I disagree Wiz. Seek Again is a very good horse and a Grade 1 winner in his own right. Maybe Dan is losing a step or two which wouldn't be at all surprising as he gets up there in age. I'm not the biggest Dan Fan or anything but no doubt he still has the heart of a champion.
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Post by Jon on May 5, 2014 0:24:50 GMT -5
Seek Again is a nice horse shooter. 9 starts - 4-3-0. He won the G1 Hwood Derby last year. This was only his 3rd start in the US. He ran 2nd to Dan in the Woodford, his 2nd of 2014.
Wise Dan's connections will wait to decide on Woodford followup By Byron King DRF
Two-time Horse of the Year Wise Dan emerged from a hard-fought Woodford Reserve victory at Churchill Downs in good shape, trainer Charlie LoPresti said Sunday morning, the day after the race.
LoPresti said he and owner Mort Fink will take a wait-and-see approach in deciding in which race to run Wise Dan next. His inclination is to wait until Saratoga before returning him to the races, with the Aug. 9 Fourstardave Handicap, a Grade 2 race at a mile on turf, being the most likely target.
The Grade 1 Stephen Foster Handicap at 1 1/8 miles on dirt June 14 at Churchill will also be considered.
“We’ll at least look at it,” he said.
Wise Dan, a 7-year-old Wiseman’s Ferry gelding, hasn’t raced on dirt in nearly two years since he ran second, beaten a head by Ron The Greek, in the 2012 Stephen Foster. Since that time, he has been entered strictly in turf races, though one race, the Shadwell Turf Mile on Oct. 5 of last year, was moved to Keeneland’s Polytrack surface after a downpour that afternoon. He ran second in that race.
Some racing observers have expressed a desire to see the connections of Wise Dan branch him out into different races this year, testing him outside of the mile to 1 1 /8-mile turf races in which he has proven virtually unbeatable. He is 13 for 14 in such races over his career, with his only loss coming when fourth in the 2011 Shadwell.
He did not appear as invincible Saturday in the Woodford, winning by a head – his smallest margin of victory in any of his 13 turf victories. And though his time for 1 1/8 miles on firm turf was 1:47.73, he earned just a 94 Beyer Speed Figure, marking the first time he had not run at least a 100 Beyer since he posted a 97 Beyer in winning the Fayette on Keeneland’s Polytrack in the fall of 2011.
LoPresti feels the close call in Saturday’s Woodford was the result of the quality of Seek Again, as well as the trip Wise Dan had. Early in the race, jockey John Velazquez took Wise Dan off the leading duo, and Wise Dan resented the restraint, throwing his head up. He raced three wide thereafter, while Seek Again saved ground on the second turn, rallying up the hedge.
Wise Dan currently trains at Keeneland, but that could change in the coming weeks. With Keeneland replacing its Polytrack main track with dirt, Wise Dan and others based there will have to train over the small Polytrack training track beginning in the middle to late part of this month when main track construction begins.
Most horsemen there find the training track adequate for galloping but inadequate for breezing due to its tight turns and configuration. So LoPresti and some other trainers that have long stabled there will have stalls at Churchill Downs. LoPresti plans to shuttle horses in and out of Churchill depending on their breeze and race schedules.
That could result in Wise Dan training at Churchill later this spring, particularly if the Foster becomes more of a possibility.
As for Seek Again, the Woodford runner-up, he seems likely to go in another direction than Wise Dan.
“We've got to decide if we're going to give him a try in the Manhattan,” his trainer, Bill Mott, said in reference to the Grade 1, $1 million race on turf on the Belmont Stakes undercard June 7.
The Manhattan Handicap is at 1 1/4 miles, the distance over which Seek Again won the Hollywood Derby last year.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 2:41:15 GMT -5
seek again was a grade 1 wimmer I admit.............. against 3 year olds only, and coming off of a layoff himself. probably not 100%. im not saying dan isn't a fighter or a champion. that's not what I sad. what i said was he is going to regress and isn't going to be what he has been the last 2 years. every horse reaches a peak and then starts a decline at some point. with horses like these who go off at 2/5, all you have to do is be right once every 3 or 4 times about them to make money. he will get hammered again and I will bet against, just like I did WTC and horses like unlimited budget, honor code, and Havana every chance I get. people overbet these horses with multiple question marks all the time. horseplayers love the blinking light!!
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