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Post by Nostradamus on Apr 12, 2014 17:28:13 GMT -5
1st Ride on Curlin
This horse started off running good in good company - Tapiture, Honor Code, Havana, etc. Then looked like a phony in that Southwest when beaten badly by Tapiture. However his last race looked very strong battling for the lead all the way around in Rebel. I think he will get better as the races get longer.
2nd Strong Mandate
Also battled for the lead in same last race as Ride on Curlin and should have it a lot easier up front at a longer distance. Another one who looks like will get better as the distances get longer.
3rd Bayern
Looks like a good horse after only two races but unproven in stakes and against really tough competition. He could win by a lot but he could also be just a pretty good horse and struggle to get 3rd. There is no way of knowing how good he is now unless you train him yourself (i.e, Baffert).
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Post by Nostradamus on Apr 12, 2014 18:38:26 GMT -5
Well I had the 2nd place horse at least. That is a lot more than I can say for someone else on this site. Looks like one of his top two big dogs is sitting the derby out. lol.
Makes me think of that horse called Pray Hard. Someone now needs to pray hard for candy boy. lol.
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Post by teenagewildlife on Apr 12, 2014 18:49:52 GMT -5
Does this mean Cairo Prince is out?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 18:50:34 GMT -5
yeah one of two didn't make it. meanwhile you have come with probably 10 different horses during the last 4 months, and they all sucked ass. wheres Havana? strong mandate? conquest titan? honor code? top billing? or some of the other rats who might make the race and have no chance like vicars in trouble or midnight hawk? or the countless others I cant remember right now. you throw new ones out there every week, and none of them pan out. just like your betting. you pick one winner out of every 50 races you play, and then break your arm patting yourself on the back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 18:51:16 GMT -5
probably teen. he was on the bubble wasn't he?
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Post by Nostradamus on Apr 12, 2014 19:01:12 GMT -5
probably teen. he was on the bubble wasn't he? You are getting delirious now. The only horse I said before was Havana because he looked like his races were key races that all other good horses came out of. And also because he ran very well just off the pace in the BC Juv. But that was like in January. Then I did say Cairo Prince might really be good since it looked like that was a very fast time he ran in the Holy Bull, that is until I started seeing that everything at GP was running real fast and then concluded that the track was just hyped up which then I said to disregard the Florida horses. That is how I finally landed on Chitu but it was not after many wild changes of mind. I was basically following a logical conclusion after a couple of steps. Now go bet you 50 cent 5 horse pick 4's and 5's and leave the handicapping to the experts. lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 19:07:55 GMT -5
bullshit. go back and look at your posts man. I don't forget shit when idiots open their mouth. in fact you bad mouthed cairo back then when I said he was and should be the favorite at the time. your exact words were, " he will sound like fingernails on a chalk board grinding to a halt he will stop so badly". remember that? and all those other horses I mentioned were horses at one time or another that you said were the horses to beat. also I said I like chitu in January, when you were bad mouthing him. like I said, you change your tune every week.
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Post by byanose13 on Apr 12, 2014 19:12:14 GMT -5
I believe Cairo Prince is sitting at #20 after the Arkansas Derby and may have to sweat out the Lexington @ Keeneland next Saturday.
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Post by Evelyn on Apr 12, 2014 19:20:22 GMT -5
I have a question! Does Bayern's fading in the stretch mean anything as far as CA Chrome? Will speed hold up at Churchill?
Wiz and Nick - go private please.
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Post by byanose13 on Apr 12, 2014 19:34:50 GMT -5
not sure how it will play but you cannot go by how it is playing the week leading up to the Derby as it will be nothing like that. it is usually a pretty fast track if the weather permits for the Derby. Of course Butch Laird retired last year and I believe his brother took over so it shouldn't be that big of a change.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 20:26:58 GMT -5
I have a question! Does Bayern's fading in the stretch mean anything as far as CA Chrome? Will speed hold up at Churchill? Wiz and Nick - go private please. I don't know what that question means. what would one have to do with the other? |
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Post by Jon on Apr 12, 2014 20:51:38 GMT -5
Think she's asking about CA speed? I don't think it's a factor for CA Chrome because he doesn't have to have the lead.
So what the chances Coach runs Strong Mandate next weekend to get into the Derby? Probably could as he didn't lift his feet today. Guess he read the comment about being #9 LMAO
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 21:23:55 GMT -5
like I said, wouldn't surprise me a bit. meanwhile if he does everyone will think its cute that dr. Kevorkian is running an already exhausted, over run horse back to soon, but if bob were to do it with Bayern, who is much more lightly raced and likely to be able to handle it, the who racing world would go batshit crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 22:34:59 GMT -5
I don't think Bayern faded in the stretch, he was passed by a horse that got a cherry trip (did anyone see Bravo when he came back to be unsaddled, with his arms spread wide like Moses in Egypt?), and just got nosed at the wire after doing all the work during the race.
I doubt that Baffert would run him in the Kentucky Derby even if he had the points to qualify, but he'll probably win the Preakness by open lengths.
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Post by Jon on Apr 12, 2014 22:54:12 GMT -5
George - Ride On Curlin had a great ride from Court who saved ground and then swung away from the rail in the stretch and he was 2nd by a lot more than a nose. He was closing well while Bayern was going up and down in place. I doubt Bayern will go to the Preakness. He can't do the distance, especially with CA Chrome. Hopportunity is the best Baffert 3 yr old.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 3:02:21 GMT -5
George - Ride On Curlin had a great ride from Court who saved ground and then swung away from the rail in the stretch and he was 2nd by a lot more than a nose. He was closing well while Bayern was going up and down in place. I doubt Bayern will go to the Preakness. He can't do the distance, especially with CA Chrome. Hopportunity is the best Baffert 3 yr old. am glad you said it George because if I had I would be labeled as biased, so I didn't even bother to point out those same things. I don't want to be labeled as making excuses. but yes I agree totally with everything you say. so now you know bafferts horses better then he does jon? lol the only reason Bayern isn't in the derby is because things didn't go as smoothly for him as they did for bafferts other runners. but bob has said since day one Bayern was his best horse, and anyone that has watched them run can see that talent wise. what makes you think he cant get the distance? because he got beat by a horse that freaked with a dream trip after missing a race and training in preparation for the race? and just how much do you think he missed 2nd by? it was less then a head I guess according to your way of thinking strong mandate and tapiture should enter back at los al for their next start at 4.5 furlongs, because based on how they ran, they cant get 6 furlongs!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 10:17:51 GMT -5
It was officially 1/2 according to the chart - seemed closer than that - the chart says "caught late for the place". No matter, he finished third after setting the pace into the stretch.
I don't think the Kentucky Derby winner is going to be coming out of that race or the Bluegrass Stakes. I know there will be 20 horses in the gate next month, but most of them don't belong there based on their spring races.
What's really amazing is the overall lack of experience of all the horses this year - yesterday there were 24 entered in the two races combined, only two of them had as many as 8 races (neither won). This was only Danza's fourth race, and second win. Now the question is, with Pletcher's other horses essentially non-contenders, will Bravo be on him in Kentucky or will Velasquez get the mount?
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Post by Evelyn on Apr 13, 2014 11:22:03 GMT -5
Hopefully Bravo stays. He is a very underrated rider. He's one of the main reasons I played Danza. Wiz - Jon was never a Strong Mandate fan. I was but the horse just hasn't "grown" as a 3 yr old. You're right in that he keeps going backwards - disappopinting but true. Where did Bob say Bayern was his best 3 yr old? The horse that had the "dream trip" was Bayern. It was a good learning experience for him I think because he actually saw other horses in the race LOL
George - The way horses are run these days, I find it "normal" that a lot of horses have little experience.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 13:53:36 GMT -5
bob has said that from the start. back in January he ranked his horses in order......
Bayern
midnight hawk (who I don't like)
chitu
some other one who got hurt
the admiral, pimpernel, and hoppertunity.
now pimpernel is purely a sprinter, and I believe that bob thought chitu was also, even though he has stretched out well. but he made it clear who he though his top two were.
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Post by Jon on Apr 13, 2014 23:59:19 GMT -5
Damn Wiz - Lighten up. Never was a Strong Mandate fan. Here's a response to your off the wall comment Wiz - The only horses that should consider Los Al are Bob's speedballs LOL
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