could this be he worst barn change of all time?

is the other "guy" J Braddy? he's been training in FL over 30 yrs. love him - have caught some good ones with him as trainer over the years - just a day to day good trainer - not seeking stardom - never heard anything bad about him - he works with what he has - if a horse went from farro to braddy, that's a good thing

not going near the old school comment since "new school" means "pharmacists" and someone who doesn't care about the animals but just cashing a bet and endorses using any meds "allowed" wouldn't understand the true meaning of "old school" anyway! yeah - braddy prolly is "old school" - certainly not a pharmacist - believe it or not, some trainers actually care about their horse's long term health more than they care about some gambler's dissecting their #'s! some are very happy to earn a nice living doing what they love and aren't obsessed with $$$ - if you don't recognize his name then you haven't followed FL racing - think he's trainer for a smaller but long term lexington breeding/racing farm too

I screwed up. For some reason I thought, from the chart of the horse's last race, that his trainer was Patricia Farro. It was indeed Jorge Navarro. Sorry for the confusion.

Jorge Navarro served a 60 days suspension last year, starting in October. Tampa Bay Downs has barred him through the 2013-2014 meet. Maybe the owner felt that Navarro was too "hot" and might get caught again? Maybe the owner didn't like working with a trainer that had drug issues? Or, maybe the owner wanted to race his horse at Tampa Bay Downs?

well wiz - at least the horse may live to try again and not drop dead because of drug induced heart attack

the point is to win with a healthy horse - not a drugged up zombie - geeeesh wiz - it is not just a job for people like you - it is also a sport - the man makes a decent living - who gives a f what his % is? will have to do research on that - what's his top 3 finish %? that also brings home a check - not to mention fees, boarding etc. not everyone is a money hungry sot - some people enjoy their day to day regular lives

who gives a F* what his win % is? how about anyone who knows how to handicap a race and uses logic when doing so? so if the point is to win without drigging them up, then he obviously isn't do a good job. hes 1 for his last 52!! you keep going back to bashing people who are successful and grouping them together as being greedy, money hungry sob's, but sorry to have to rain on your parade, but that is the point!! I don't care about his day to day life. im not stalking him and trying to be a part of it, are you? I am betting horse races, not running a pet adoption agency. the point of this thread which you cant seem to grasp, is thst for betting races, this was a horrible trainer change. now if you want to go start another thread and do a biography on this guy BRADDY's life, go ahead. but as a race horse trainer and someone people are betting their money on to win races, he sucks.

I realize that, wiz. I was just answering the question. Until you brought it up a couple of days ago, I'd never even heard his name, so he certainly hasn't had a profound impact on racing. I don't know that much about Navarro, either, but as you point out, he has a much better recent record. Other than his suspension last year for infractions in early 2012, I don't think he's had any other positives. Not only that, but the six positives for which he was suspended all occurred during a five or six week period at Tampa Bay Downs two years ago. I'm not going to speculate, but I don't think Navarro has made a career out of drugging horses regularly.

that's right cait. and the facts are this guy wins 2% of the time and the other guy wins 35% of the time. those are the facts. everything else is your opinion.
do I handicap the trainers? of course. any sane rational person does. barn changes are one of the biggest causes for form reversals in racing. if you don't, your well behind the times on that one. you laugh about it and make a joke out of it, but you play horses all the time because of who trains them or rides them because you like those people based on the wrong reasons. but yet you think its unusual to handicap them based on their performances? now that is what is funny.

ev im getting my stats straight out of the daily racing form. and if you read the post (?) I said 1 for his LAST 52, and navarros last 3oo and something. what does it matter what he did 30 years ago? my stats are completely accurate. you are just using stats that are irrelevant to the point.
sorry but once again, let me repeat this..............GAMBLING AND WINNING IS WHAT HORSE RACING IS ABOUT to 95% of the people who watch it. and that is not all I care about, as I have corrected you before. are you just mad because im not a complete bleeding heart like you who can only see things one way? im not wishing ant harm to this horse. my whole point was simply about the horses chances of winning switching from one barn to the other. you and cait are the ones who have taken it upon yourself to change it into something else, as you always do. just because im trying to use facts and common sense to figure out who has the better chance of winning, that means I am disregarding the horse? give me a break. ae you sure your not a member of peta? im glad you don't have to rely on winning either ev. it wouldn't be a good thing if you dd. btw, horses have been an investment copmmodity all along. that will never change. but that doesn't mean I or others don't care also. but once again, you have one way of seeing things so I guess it has to be one or the other with you. no compromise. lastly, my "reasons" may not always be right, but they make a hell of a lot more sense then others ive seen.

*Except on Preakness Day, when 95% are interested in binge drinking.