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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 19:03:46 GMT -5
NYRA IS doing something about Aqueduct, and my money is not on it closing. NYRA is addressing the cleanliness of Aqueduct as well as the dearth of food service. They're also putting money into updating Belmont and Saratoga. See highlights. Even though Grening mentions the assault in the ladies room AGAIN (sheesh, he's so anti-Aqueduct he might as well open an account here), stuff like that can happen anywhere and probably everywhere. It was a one-time event, just as the assault on a ritzy cruise ship about a month ago, the beating of the Giants' fan in the parking lot at Dodger Stadium two years ago, etc. As for admission prices, even with the increase at Saratoga, they will be in line with Santa Anita and Lone Star, lower than Del Mar. Admission to Belmont will still be $5.00 for the clubhouse (no increase), but unfortunately there apparently will be no access to the grandstand (probably just the second and third floors) NYRA board critical of Aqueduct experienceBy David Grening NEW YORK – Ultimately, Len Riggio’s experience last Saturday at Aqueduct was an enjoyable one, as he wound up standing in the winner’s circle after his 3-year-old homebred Samraat won the Grade 3, $500,000 Gotham Stakes to remain undefeated. Up until that race, however, Riggio – an owner, breeder, and member of the New York Racing Association’s Reorganization Board – and his guests were not enjoying their experience in the Equestris dining room at Aqueduct. “The food was terrible, no waiters, no help – our experience was pretty sad,” Riggio said. Riggio, who called Aqueduct an “eyesore,” also said this about the track: “It’s dirty, it’s dangerous, it’s just really not good.” Aqueduct – its present and future – was a major topic at Wednesday’s 90-minute meeting of NYRA’s Reorganization Board in Manhattan. By April 2015, the board must submit to state officials a long-term plan for New York racing, and the future of Aqueduct is a key component in that plan. “I would think that our charter would be to provide recommendations for what should happen” to Aqueduct, NYRA President and Chief Executive Chris Kay said after the meeting. “It’s going to be decided, obviously, in Albany.” Last October, Gov. Andrew Cuomo, in a meeting with the New York Daily News editorial board, called Aqueduct “a waste” and said the state should investigate other uses for the property. To date, that has not happened, according to Kay and David Skorton, NYRA’s chairman. Aqueduct has come under fire recently for several reasons. A sexual assault that occurred in a restroom on Super Bowl Sunday and the theft of some trophies and computers a few weeks ago were subjects Kay would not discuss because criminal investigations are involved. Kay apologized for the continued presence of birds in the clubhouse and dining areas and said, “We have taken aggressive steps” to remove them. In response to complaints about the cleanliness of Aqueduct, NYRA has taken back the cleaning operations of its side of the track from Genting, the company that runs the thriving Resorts World Casino at Aqueduct. NYRA also is taking over the food services, having issued a request for proposal for a company to take over that area. Changes in that area likely will not be seen until the fall meet. “I’ve worked in some of the finest places for guest experience in the world, and I’ve been around the world, so nobody needs to say, ‘Well, have you’ve seen this issue at Aqueduct?’ ” Kay said. “It takes time.” NYRA conducts racing at Aqueduct six months of the year, and as board member Barry Ostrager noted, “Aqueduct has historically been a profitable meet for NYRA.” Aqueduct, as well as Belmont and Saratoga, will be in line for some capital improvements. The major improvement at Aqueduct will be the opening of Longshots, a new simulcast facility that will double as a sports bar. NYRA is hoping to open Longshots in time for the Wood Memorial on April 5, four weeks before the meet ends.At Belmont Park, the grandstand will be closed, and the price of clubhouse admission will be $5, the same as last year. Previously, grandstand admission was $3. Belmont will be getting 131 new high-definition television sets, a new paddock concession stand for this fall, and a new video board measuring 8 feet by 15 feet. Kay said it would be another three weeks before pricing for the Belmont Stakes would be announced. At Saratoga, prices are expected to rise from $3 to $5 for grandstand admission and from $5 to $8 for clubhouse admission. Kay said preliminary online market research done by the firm Integrated Insight supported these price increases approved by the board at the December meeting. At Saratoga, NYRA will install 750 new HD televisions – 500 in the backyard – as well as three new large video walls and add 125 picnic tables.
It remains unclear when NYRA will release the stakes schedule for Saratoga, which opens July 18. In other items discussed at the meeting: ◗ NYRA had an operating loss from racing operations totaling $12.3 million in 2013, an increase in loss of $6.8 million when compared with 2012. Part of that was due to a $3 million settlement for New York Off-Track Betting as well as lower revenue due to six fewer racing days and generally smaller field sizes. When revenue from Aqueduct’s VLT casino was factored in, NYRA’s net income was $42.8 million, an increase of $17.3 million from 2012. NYRA earned approximately $110.2 million in VLT revenue, $55.2 million of which went to purses, $31.4 million for capital expenditures, and $23.6 million for operations. ◗ NYRA has a $200,000 sponsorship deal with a company Kay would not identify for the $1 million Wood Memorial. Genting had previously sponsored the Wood Memorial. ◗ NYRA is investing $4.5 million to build dormitories for backstretch help at Belmont Park by early 2015. Source: www.drf.com/news/nyra-board-critical-aqueduct-experience |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 21:26:28 GMT -5
and yet there is no admission to get into a casino or bet from your computer at home.
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Post by Evelyn on Mar 5, 2014 21:45:08 GMT -5
Wiz - Some of us care about more than just the gambling!
George - I disagree as I think the Big A will be closed. There are no structural improvements being planned. A new bar with better televisions and seating can be packed up and moved! The Big A needs structural renovations - not just a coat of paint and new carpet and seating in one room. Not having NYC OTB is hurting and is an issued that needs to be addressed. I don't believe anything our of Skorton or Kay's mouth. Both are racing clueless. Please don't use the argument that a business is a business. It's not. Racing is a unique business as it's a complicated product with a complicated, competitive market.
To follow this article:
Aqueduct Dominates NYRA Board Discussion
By Teresa Genaro
Bloodhorse
It’s not often that Aqueduct Racetrack overshadows its classier siblings, but discussions at the meeting of the New York Racing Association Reorganization board of directors March 5 suggested that the future of Thoroughbred racing in the state may well turn on the fate of the track in Ozone Park.
While Belmont Park and Saratoga Race Course were topics at the meeting, conversations about nearly every major issue facing NYRA will be affected by what happens to Aqueduct. The track hosts NYRA racing from November to April each year and is, as noted by board member Barry Ostrager, a “historically profitable” operation.
A year from next month, the board is charged by statute with presenting to the state of New York a plan for re-privatizing the three tracks under its control. Included in that plan will be a recommendation for whether to keep Aqueduct open.
“I would think that our charter will be to provide recommendations for what should happen,” said NYRA president and CEO Chris Kay. “It’s going to be decided in Albany.”
“I think we have to comment on everything having to do with Thoroughbred racing in the state related to these three tracks,” added board chair David Skorton.
Instrumental in formulating that plan is the work of the board’s longterm planning committee, headed by board members Michael Dubb and Bobby Flay.
Dubb outlined five areas on which his committee is focusing:
—A business plan that would require budget information for a number of years in the future, along with a capital plan that would allow for NYRA facilities to become “destination locations”;
—The structure of NYRA’s corporate leadership after re-privatization, which will include determining whether the organization will continue to be a non-profit;
—The structure of NYRA’s board of directors;
—Regulatory review, including possible recommendations for new legislation to ensure the organization’s success;
—And developing NYRA’s current facilities and determining how they can best be used.
Dubb also noted that NYRA is still lacking an off-track revenue platform in New York City, absent since the closing of New York City Off-Track Betting in 2010.
“One of the many ways we can fuel our growth and expansion," he said. "[is] if we can come up with a suitable restaurant/bar strategy to work in the five boroughs.”
Dubb also emphasized protecting the VLT revenue from Resorts World Casino New York City, which he described as “necessary” to accomplish NYRA’s longterm goals.
Earlier in the meeting, concerns were raised by board members over what they see as unsatisfactory customer service conditions at Aqueduct and led to a discussion of possible improvements. Skorton noted that NYRA’s revenues continued to fall short of expenses.
“If the trend, not counting VLT, is continuing to be challenging,” he cautioned, “then one could project that more and more of those funds that might be available for capital improvements might go away.”
On more than one occasion, Skorton has emphasized the need for NYRA to function financially without the support of the VLT subsidy.
According to chief financial officer Suzanne Stover, NYRA’s operating losses from racing operations for 2013 were $12.3 million.
A proposed admission increase for Belmont and Saratoga was given final approval following a market search conducted by Integrated Insight, Kay said.
Formerly, grandstand admission to Belmont was $3 and clubhouse admission was $5. Now, the grandstand except for the apron will be closed, and all customers will pay a $5 admission fee. At Saratoga, general admission will rise to $5 from $3, and clubhouse admissions to $8 from $5.
Kay said that decisions about pricing for the Belmont Stakes will be announced within a few weeks.
Other agenda items included a report from the board’s racing committee, which would like to see all three stewards be hired by NYRA; currently, one steward represents NYRA, one the New York State Gaming Commission, and one The Jockey Club. The racing committee is also seeking greater latitude in imposing penalties for infractions beyond what those imposed by the Gaming Commission.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 22:35:14 GMT -5
I just can't see them closing the track that has been operating six months a year for decades. If anything, and I'd like to see this, they'll close down for a couple of months in the dead of winter. They should sensibly close from the end of November (closing day used to be the Thanksgiving weekend) until March 1. With that shortened season, they can finally do away with the horrid, and costly, inner track. But even if they don't do that, remember that weekend handle still ranges from about $7M to $9M. That pays a lot of bills.
And you're overlooking the other changes that are already being implemented - NYRA takeover of the cleaning and maintenance of the track side and the concessions. I don't know why they ever put those in the hands of Genting. That will be a huge improvement.
Obviously, other than the race book / sports bar that will open in a week or two, the other improvements won't take effect until the fall, but at least NYRA isn't ignoring the shortcomings.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid that some will never recognize or accept that NYRA does care about racing and their facilities.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 1:43:57 GMT -5
Wiz - Some of us care about more than just the gambling! George - I disagree as I think the Big A will be closed. There are no structural improvements being planned. A new bar with better televisions and seating can be packed up and moved! The Big A needs structural renovations - not just a coat of paint and new carpet and seating in one room. Not having NYC OTB is hurting and is an issued that needs to be addressed. I don't believe anything our of Skorton or Kay's mouth. Both are racing clueless. Please don't use the argument that a business is a business. It's not. Racing is a unique business as it's a complicated product with a complicated, competitive market. To follow this article: Aqueduct Dominates NYRA Board Discussion By Teresa Genaro Bloodhorse It’s not often that Aqueduct Racetrack overshadows its classier siblings, but discussions at the meeting of the New York Racing Association Reorganization board of directors March 5 suggested that the future of Thoroughbred racing in the state may well turn on the fate of the track in Ozone Park. While Belmont Park and Saratoga Race Course were topics at the meeting, conversations about nearly every major issue facing NYRA will be affected by what happens to Aqueduct. The track hosts NYRA racing from November to April each year and is, as noted by board member Barry Ostrager, a “historically profitable” operation. A year from next month, the board is charged by statute with presenting to the state of New York a plan for re-privatizing the three tracks under its control. Included in that plan will be a recommendation for whether to keep Aqueduct open. “I would think that our charter will be to provide recommendations for what should happen,” said NYRA president and CEO Chris Kay. “It’s going to be decided in Albany.” “I think we have to comment on everything having to do with Thoroughbred racing in the state related to these three tracks,” added board chair David Skorton. Instrumental in formulating that plan is the work of the board’s longterm planning committee, headed by board members Michael Dubb and Bobby Flay. Dubb outlined five areas on which his committee is focusing: —A business plan that would require budget information for a number of years in the future, along with a capital plan that would allow for NYRA facilities to become “destination locations”; —The structure of NYRA’s corporate leadership after re-privatization, which will include determining whether the organization will continue to be a non-profit; —The structure of NYRA’s board of directors; —Regulatory review, including possible recommendations for new legislation to ensure the organization’s success; —And developing NYRA’s current facilities and determining how they can best be used. Dubb also noted that NYRA is still lacking an off-track revenue platform in New York City, absent since the closing of New York City Off-Track Betting in 2010. “One of the many ways we can fuel our growth and expansion," he said. "[is] if we can come up with a suitable restaurant/bar strategy to work in the five boroughs.” Dubb also emphasized protecting the VLT revenue from Resorts World Casino New York City, which he described as “necessary” to accomplish NYRA’s longterm goals. Earlier in the meeting, concerns were raised by board members over what they see as unsatisfactory customer service conditions at Aqueduct and led to a discussion of possible improvements. Skorton noted that NYRA’s revenues continued to fall short of expenses. “If the trend, not counting VLT, is continuing to be challenging,” he cautioned, “then one could project that more and more of those funds that might be available for capital improvements might go away.” On more than one occasion, Skorton has emphasized the need for NYRA to function financially without the support of the VLT subsidy. According to chief financial officer Suzanne Stover, NYRA’s operating losses from racing operations for 2013 were $12.3 million. A proposed admission increase for Belmont and Saratoga was given final approval following a market search conducted by Integrated Insight, Kay said. Formerly, grandstand admission to Belmont was $3 and clubhouse admission was $5. Now, the grandstand except for the apron will be closed, and all customers will pay a $5 admission fee. At Saratoga, general admission will rise to $5 from $3, and clubhouse admissions to $8 from $5. Kay said that decisions about pricing for the Belmont Stakes will be announced within a few weeks. Other agenda items included a report from the board’s racing committee, which would like to see all three stewards be hired by NYRA; currently, one steward represents NYRA, one the New York State Gaming Commission, and one The Jockey Club. The racing committee is also seeking greater latitude in imposing penalties for infractions beyond what those imposed by the Gaming Commission. I never said you don't, and I understand that. but my point is the gambling is what keeps it going. that's insisputable, correct? so the more people there to bet and gamble, the more money is available to keep the sport alive. if people didn't have to spend money on admission, parking, programs, forms, and overpriced refreshments, which are all comped at casinos or not in the equation if you play from home, and didn't have to fork out the 30-40 dollars a day that those things cost, then maybe they would be attending the races live and betting their money on track instead. but that is something the greedy bastards that run the tracks will never get through their heads. |
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Post by Evelyn on Mar 6, 2014 8:32:47 GMT -5
George - The cleaning? The food? Sure - that's an improvement but it's like putting a band aid on a 12" gash. The majority of the current NYRA only cares about racing's $. They want it for their own purposes - not racing. Have you looked at their bios? The majority of Andy's puppets were appointed to see to it that Dictator Andy gets his way. They wouldn't know what's best for the racing industry. They don't listen. They don't learn. They don't "experience". They simply spew garbage! Unfortunately some will never recognize the truth that this administration wants the Big A closed so they can build the hotel or mall or w/e. That's why Kay was hired! Everyone - well, almost everyone - knows that. Every sports writer has mentioned it and quoted industry workers. Why stop winter racing? This year the weather played a role but it makes $ and it helps smaller horsemen. Why shouldn't they have the chance to bring home some of the big bucks? There are many outfits in NY that can't afford to pack up and head south. Why are you so intent on closing winter racing? Look at last month's #'s. The decline is greatly due to the bad weather and the lack of activity from a major winter "player". Forget "quality" and so forth. People bet on NY racing - all year long.
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Post by Evelyn on Mar 6, 2014 8:35:55 GMT -5
wiz - as far as sporting events go, costs to attend the races are lots less than other sports. And one has a chance to get the expenditures back!
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Post by lt1 on Mar 6, 2014 12:17:20 GMT -5
Eve the reason the major players are not betting is the cards. Today out of nine races 4 ml favs are under 2-1 with 2 being oods on. Two others are 2-1. Friday there are 7 races with ml fav under 2-1 4 of them odds on and the remaining 2 at @ 2-1. What player big or small would waste their time capping these cards. To be fair Lrl tomorrow is just as bad. The only track where some betable races exist is Oaklawn today and Fri.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 14:24:50 GMT -5
George - The cleaning? The food? Sure - that's an improvement but it's like putting a band aid on a 12" gash. The majority of the current NYRA only cares about racing's $. They want it for their own purposes - not racing. Have you looked at their bios? The majority of Andy's puppets were appointed to see to it that Dictator Andy gets his way. They wouldn't know what's best for the racing industry. They don't listen. They don't learn. They don't "experience". They simply spew garbage! Unfortunately some will never recognize the truth that this administration wants the Big A closed so they can build the hotel or mall or w/e. That's why Kay was hired! Everyone - well, almost everyone - knows that. Every sports writer has mentioned it and quoted industry workers. Why stop winter racing? This year the weather played a role but it makes $ and it helps smaller horsemen. Why shouldn't they have the chance to bring home some of the big bucks? There are many outfits in NY that can't afford to pack up and head south. Why are you so intent on closing winter racing? Look at last month's #'s. The decline is greatly due to the bad weather and the lack of activity from a major winter "player". Forget "quality" and so forth. People bet on NY racing - all year long. I don't know that they're readily available, but if you looked at the biographies of past NYRA board members over the previous 20 years I'd bet that they're not too much different than most of the members today. Over the years just about ALL of the NYRA board members were primarily business men. For that matter, the two co-chairs of the task force that is working on the future of NYRA are both business men AND horse owners (one was the leading owner at NYRA tracks in 2011 and 2012)!!! So, please give us an example of what the current NYRA board has decided that has been bad, beyond raising admission charges to the prevailing industry level. Where has ANYONE said that they want Aqueduct closed? I haven't seen that anywhere. This is really funny, people complain that Aqueduct is a "dump", racing is "horrible", etc. etc., but then we hear "OHHHH NOOO, don't close it!" (I agree, don't close it) Then we see that NYRA has reversed a mistake (made by the PREVIOUS board, by the way, not the current board!) and are taking over maintenance, cleaning, and the food service, and its characterized as essentially no big deal. |
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Post by Evelyn on Mar 6, 2014 21:06:08 GMT -5
Taking over the food, and cleaning is NOT a big deal. Where are the promised renovations? Any board appointed by Dictator Andy is serving Andy and Andy only. I want to see the Big A restored and continuing to race. It's an embarrassment as is and better food and less trash aren't going to help. We're not going to agree on this. You're going to say they're successful businessmen and I'm going to say that doesn't make them qualified to sit on a Horse racing board. Thank heavens Stuart Janney and Richard Violette are still there! www.nyra.com/aqueduct/information/board-of-directors/ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 4:36:34 GMT -5
George - The cleaning? The food? Sure - that's an improvement but it's like putting a band aid on a 12" gash. The majority of the current NYRA only cares about racing's $. They want it for their own purposes - not racing. Have you looked at their bios? The majority of Andy's puppets were appointed to see to it that Dictator Andy gets his way. They wouldn't know what's best for the racing industry. They don't listen. They don't learn. They don't "experience". They simply spew garbage! Unfortunately some will never recognize the truth that this administration wants the Big A closed so they can build the hotel or mall or w/e. That's why Kay was hired! Everyone - well, almost everyone - knows that. Every sports writer has mentioned it and quoted industry workers. Why stop winter racing? This year the weather played a role but it makes $ and it helps smaller horsemen. Why shouldn't they have the chance to bring home some of the big bucks? There are many outfits in NY that can't afford to pack up and head south. Why are you so intent on closing winter racing? Look at last month's #'s. The decline is greatly due to the bad weather and the lack of activity from a major winter "player". Forget "quality" and so forth. People bet on NY racing - all year long. WHY STOP WINTER RACING? ARE YOU SERIOUS? I CAN BELIEVE THIS IS COMING FROM YOU EV, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS OF DOING WHATS RIGHT FOR THE HORSES AND TO KEEP THEM HEALTHY. WINTER RACING IN PLACES LIKE NY HAS BEEN A BAD IDEA FROM THE START. HORSES NEED BREAKS. THEY ARENT MACHINES. THATS WHY SARATOGA SHOULD BE RUNNING 5 DAYS A WEEK INSTEAD OF 6. THATS WHY THEY SHOULD BE RUNNING 9 OR 10 RACES A DAY INSTEAD OF 11 OR 12. THERE ARENT ENOUGH HORSES TO GO AROUND. SO YOU END UP WITH SMALL FIELDS AND BAD BETTING RACES, WHICH DRIVES AWAY THE BIG BETTORS WHICH LOWERS THE HANDLE. THIS IS NOT JUST A NY PROBLEM EITHER. ITS EVERYWHERE. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 4:38:24 GMT -5
wiz - as far as sporting events go, costs to attend the races are lots less than other sports. And one has a chance to get the expenditures back! AND OTHER SPORTS ARENT GETTIN AN EXTRA 20% OUT OF EVERY DOLLAR YOU BET EITHER. RACETRACKS SHOULD BE PAYING THE PATRONS TO ATTEND AND BET ON THEIR RACES, NOT VICE VERSA. |
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Post by Evelyn on Mar 7, 2014 9:04:45 GMT -5
Wiz - The horses racing in the winter are getting their chances. They aren't racing year round. Most horses prefer cold weather to hot humid weather anyway. There are plenty of short fields where it's sunny and hot too. I happen to think the smaller outfits running at the Big A probably take excellent care of their horses. Who are you to say they don't? They are the horses that keep racing running. Not all of them can be graded stars. These horses aren't breaking down after 2 or 3 races. (yes - some probably shouldn't be running but that's also happening everywhere) They are the backbone of the sport. Frankly, SA needs to cut back on their days as clearly there are not enough horses in CA to fill day to day cards. A shortage of horses is everywhere. People in the industry need to make a living. They aren't all working for stables that have 100's of horses and can afford to ship regularly to race.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 12:22:14 GMT -5
On the subject of winter racing (which this didn't start out to be), you guys know I'm an advocate of NY racing overall. But there comes a time to face reality.
First, this winter Aqueduct certainly hasn't been racing "too much", there have been cancellations almost every week. Second, they cut back on their racing dates in January and February, and they haven't scheduled more than 9 races a day very much this winter. So, the horses on the grounds aren't being over raced, they're all rested, and they should be ready to run.
But, with these things in mind, look at today's card. Nine races with fields (before late scratches) of 5, 6, 5, 6, 6, 8, 8, 5, 6 - a total of 55 horses in 9 races, average of 6.1 per race. That's less per race than the beleaguered Beulah Park had on Tuesday (6.25)!
Not only that, but the horses entered are not exactly the hard-knocking "winter warriors" that we normally think of. Not counting the maidens which are usually lightly race, the average number of starts for the other 39 horses in 2013 is an amazingly low 7.5 (less than one race every six weeks), only 10 of the 39 had 10+ starts and only one has 20+, and 10 of the entries had 5 or less starts last year. So the idea that winter racing is needed to give the smaller outfits a place to run is a misnomer - the connections for horses entered today aren't searching around for races to run, they're not running their horses anywhere for weeks on end.
As much as I like and support NY racing, does it really make sense to run this card?
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Post by racinggal on Mar 7, 2014 20:37:02 GMT -5
When I was last there, I would have settled for a working bathroom - even if it wasn't very clean! PARX races year round as does Penn National so why not NY? This was a very unusual winter so I don't think using this year's data is relevant. I think it "made sense" to the owners and trainers to run. I see many Finger Lakes trainers running at Aqueduct.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 23:33:08 GMT -5
like I said, im not just singling out ny here. racing needs to cut back EVERYWHERE!! and yes ev, that includes ca. unfortunately, these poor little horsemen you talk of are greedy bastards who don't want take even a weeks break to give these horses a rest, let alone the gamblers. I really have little sympathy for them when you talk about them needing to make a living. purses are bloated as it is at most of these track compared to what minimum wage is and what the rest of the country is making, the horsemen are doing a whole lot better now then they were 20 or 30 years ago and their living conditions are better also. and quite frankly, you cant make an omelette without breaking some eggs. if it takes a few horsemen struggling to get by to improve and save the game, then so be it.
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