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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 14:54:26 GMT -5
FOR SOME REASON EVERY YEAR THE VOTERS WHO ARE ENTRUSTED WITH AN ECLIPSE AWARD VOTE CONTINUE TO GET IT WRONG IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM, WITH THAT BEING SAID I HAVE MY EYES GLUED TO TWO SPECIFIC CATEGORIES BECAUSE I SUSPECT THAT THE VOTERS WILL GET IT WRONG.
CHAMPION 3 YEAR OLD SHOULD GO TO WILL TAKE CHARGE, HE EMERGED AT THE BACK END OF THE YEAR AND HAVE PUT TOGETHER A STRING OF IMPRESSIVE RACES, HE WON THE TRAVELERS (G1) WAS AN ULTRA IMPRESSIVE WINNER OF THE PA DERBY(G2) AND CAME UP A HALF OF HEAD SHORT IN THE BC CLASSIC(G1), HE WAS BY FAR THE BEST 3 YEAR OLD, BUT I SUSPECT HE WILL GET ROBBED BY ORB, ORB MAY HAVE WON THE KYD BE HE DID NOTHING AFTER THAT, HE WAS EXPOSED TIME AFTER TIME. FAR TO MUCH EMPHASIS IS PLACED ON THE KYD WHEN IT COMES TO DETERMINING THE BEST 3YO, THAT MUST CHANGE.
CHAMPION 3YO FILLY- I MAYBE WRONG BUT THE ECLIPSE AWARDS ARE ABOUT WHO HAD THE BETTER YEAR RIGHT ? WILL IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT SHOULD BE HARD FOR THE VOTERS TO SEE ANY OTHER FILLY BUT SYLVY WINNING THIS AWARD. SHE DANCED EVERY DANCE AND WAS THE FIRST TO KNOCK ROYAL DELTA OFF OF HER HIGH PERCH, SHE RACED MORE OFTEN THAN BEHOLDER AND WON MORE G1 RACES, SHE ALSO WON IN TWO STATES AS OPPOSE TO BEHOLDER ONLY WINNING IN CA.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 15:06:37 GMT -5
Mr. Keystone King:
I agree that Will Take Charge is the best 3-YO Male, but I think Beholder is the best 3-YO Filly.
POS had it locked up UNTIL the Breeders Cup. Her performance was awful, people remember your last at bat and in her case she struck out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 15:27:02 GMT -5
Mr. Keystone King: I agree that Will Take Charge is the best 3-YO Male, but I think Beholder is the best 3-YO Filly. POS had it locked up UNTIL the Breeders Cup. Her performance was awful, people remember your last at bat and in her case she struck out. Pres TRUE BUT, IT WAS A LOSE LOSE SITUATION. HAD SHE STAYED IN NY AND SKIPPED THEY WOULD HAVE STILL VOTED BEHOLDER CHAMPION FILLY BECAUSE THE BREEDERS CUP IS THE END ALL IN AMERICA, WHAT YOU DO DURING THE YEAR IS TOSSED OUT THE WINDOW. NO FILLY HAS HAD A BETTER BODY OF WORK FOR 2013 THAN SYLVY IS THAT NOT WHAT THE AWARD IS BASED ON ? WHO HAD A BETTER YEAR |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 15:32:15 GMT -5
KK:
I disagree once POS beat Delta she stamped the award. Then Delta and POS took a dump in the BC, now POS's victory over Delta is tarnished also.
But what do I know, I bet at Indiana Downs....
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Post by cait on Nov 8, 2013 16:46:29 GMT -5
princess gets the award because beholder (and i like her) won only in cali - also the BC race was totally unfair due to the track - don't start pres lol i read all of the posts but that track was incredibly biased for speed - absolutely no chance for princess - she also won the head to head in the oaks - so in addition to what i consider a day of throw out races (none of friday's bc races should be considered for the eclipse voting - that's what cali was aiming for with that speedway!) - princess beat beholder on a neutral track also
hands down - princess should win but probably won't because of friggin' politics - just as blame didn't win
far too man y vopting that only vote based on bc results - another reason to dump the bc lol championship titles mean less
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pres - NO WAY her victory over RD is "tarnished" - beholder didn't show up because she wouldn't have had her home track speedway!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 16:58:43 GMT -5
Cait:
I like you, so I'll be easy on you with my response.
Royal Delta is done, she was done in the Beldame. Her effort in the Distaff was even worse. So when POS beat her, it looked good on paper. But watching Deltas last two races, sums it up.
I will not comment on the term "speedway" the others in here used that term also. It's just an excuse when someone doesn't like the results.
Pres -kinder,because it's you
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Post by shooter29 on Nov 8, 2013 19:17:12 GMT -5
WTC will win the 3YO Male Eclipse hands down.
Unfortunately, and I could be wrong, but Princess's poor showing in the Distaff will likely rob her of the 3YO Filly Eclipse despite the circumstances surrounding it. In a perfect world, the voters would rightly draw a line through Friday's BC card and judge the two horses (Princess, Beholder) on the totality of their accomplishments.
If that is the standard then clearly, Princess has the more impressive resume. And like Cait, I'm a fan of Beholder as well so there's no sour grapes. I just don't think she did enough to prove herself as the top 3YO Filly of 2013.
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Post by afleettreet on Nov 8, 2013 20:13:00 GMT -5
Respectfully I must disagree some. I think Princess had an AMAZING year! When she headed to CA I figured she would be a shoe in to win it all. My opinions about her as champion 3yo filly were pretty much a done deal. When I saw the WAY Beholder handled them both it changed my mind some. And like the others I like Beholder so don't get me wrong or confuse me to have a West Coast bias or anything. I genuinely thought Princess was the best based on her body of work throughout the year because she had one more race. Then before BC weekend I watched both throughout the year. Both were pretty damn good. Then the WAY Beholder stepped up made me lean towards her as well. It means something to take down Royal Delta as Princess did...but it means equally as much to take down Royal Delta AND Princess in the same race too. Just MY opinion but I thought they both had very impressive years and just like most other votes which will likely be easy, I see this one as being a tough argument but what do I know. Just my opinion. And FWIW. ALL THREE looked amazing before the Distaff so much so I couldn't pick which one looked better...although Royal Delta gets a tiny nudge on her rivals simply because she is SO GRAND and regal looking in person. Holy Cow it blows you away how classy she is as she just has "the look" and an air about her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 21:02:10 GMT -5
The records of the two 3-year old fillies in the running for the Eclipse Award:
Princess of Sylmar
8 - 6 - 1 - 0 $1,539,000
6 Wins, 4 Grade 1 Wins, 4 Tracks in 2 States
Beholder
7 - 5 - 2 - 0 $1,860,000
5 Wins, 4 Grade 1 Wins, 2 Tracks in 1 State
Head to Head - 1 Win for Princess of Sylmar on "neutral" ground, 1 win for Beholder on her home track
5 of Beholder's 7 races were at her home track, Santa Anita, including the Breeders' Cup race.
Only 1 of Princess of Sylmar's 8 races were at her home track, Belmont.
Beholder sauntered over from the backstretch for the Breeders' Cup race, Princess of Sylmar traveled 3,000 miles for the race.
Finally, even with her $1M+ earnings in the Breeders' Cup race, Beholder only earned about $300K more than Princess of Sylmar.
Can there be any doubt?
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Post by Evelyn on Nov 8, 2013 21:45:16 GMT -5
Thanks George - I was just looking that up! O'll add that 4 of the 5 wins for Beholder were at SA.
Pres - Every racing publicatiion, forum, jockeys, trainers, owners (even the winning ones!) agreed that the Fri BC track had a huge speed bias. I don't understand how anyone can dispute that. It is a Fact. Ot is not an Excuse. Or perhaps it is an Excuse that is valid as it's based on Fact!
Princess has never gotten the respect she deserves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 7:21:35 GMT -5
Evelyn:
ONCE again you're taking a shot at me, why??? Your OBVIOUS dislike of what I say is quite clear.
I didn't even comment on the speedway term, yet you make your own point of view a attack.
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Post by Evelyn on Nov 9, 2013 14:15:41 GMT -5
Gee Pres - Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you and states Facts is accused by you of "Taking a shot at you"? Member, Admin............doesn't matter. Believeit or not, people disagree! That's what forums are about.
You really need to understand that people will disagree with you. Those disagreeing posts are not personal attacks, as mine was not. I think your opinion is incorrect and not based on the facts. That's all. You have a tendency to read w/e suits your purpose into posts. I'd suggest taking posts at face valus.
FTR - As has been stated, members "judgements" of others will be deleted.
FTR You did comment on "speedway" on several other threads and on this one by saying "I will not comment on the term "speedway" the others in here used that term also. It's just an excuse when someone doesn't like the results."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 19:51:48 GMT -5
Evelyn:
I understand people disagree but it seems that EVERY time I post something you don't like. Out comes your "bashing" of me.
Hey I can take it, but you being one of he Bosses in here I must "dumb" down my replies because you have the power to ban me.
Also you stated that you don't hang on my every thread, yet you comment in them??
I'm like the TV Channel if you don't like what you're watching just don't watch me.
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Post by bloodstock64 on Nov 9, 2013 19:57:26 GMT -5
I stopped caring about The Eclipse awards many moons ago. It's turned into an academy awards type ceremony with the awards NOT going to THE BEST but to the MOST POPULAR.
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Post by Jon on Nov 9, 2013 20:01:34 GMT -5
Actually I think you need to raise up the level of your posts, not dumb them down LOL
Just as I see no bashing here, that comment is my opinion, not bashing. For example, Bashing would be if I called you an Ahole but I'm not doing that. Just an example.
Pres - You're always accusing people of telling you what to say (not true) but aren't you telling people what to say/read/do in your last post? LOL
Once again, any member can offer their opinion on any thread.
For this thread, mine is Princess should win the Eclipse. Secondly, I agree with all the writers and participants that said Friday's BC track was speed biased. Therefore I discount Beholder's win. I didn't bet the race so don't give a damn about the results.
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Post by Jon on Nov 9, 2013 20:02:56 GMT -5
BStock - Agree. Once they allowed the likes of Todd Shrupp to vote.................enough said!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 20:09:52 GMT -5
Jon:
Wow, I'm shocked you don't agree with me. Did you read my entire explanation of why I think Beholder should win?
It was my opinion with insight.
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Post by Jon on Nov 9, 2013 20:20:50 GMT -5
Since you asked.........
I disagree with the following statements by Pres in this thread, none of which I'd label "insightful"
"POS had it locked up UNTIL the Breeders Cup. Her performance was awful, people remember your last at bat and in her case she struck out."
"I disagree once POS beat Delta she stamped the award. Then Delta and POS took a dump in the BC, now POS's victory over Delta is tarnished also.
But what do I know, I bet at Indiana Downs...."
Royal Delta is done, she was done in the Beldame. Her effort in the Distaff was even worse. So when POS beat her, it looked good on paper. But watching Deltas last two races, sums it up.
"I will not comment on the term "speedway" the others in here used that term also. It's just an excuse when someone doesn't like the results."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 20:26:51 GMT -5
Jon:
I wrote " it was MY opinion with insight " So you didn't agree with my opinion,FINE. You didn't like my INSIGHT fine.
I'm done wasting my time commenting on why you don't like what I write. After all what does a "loose cannon" know anyhow.
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Post by Jon on Nov 9, 2013 20:31:46 GMT -5
Pres - I like your last post. ;D
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