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Post by Evelyn on Oct 27, 2013 11:56:42 GMT -5
This was a NY Daily News Editorial. Now it's confirmed why the horse racing illiterate Kay was hired. I see a new Toys R Us , hotel etc. in Aqueduct's future. And I hope they all fail miserably!
Guess the horse racing industry didn't contibute enough to Andy because he sure wants to kill it,
Off to the glue factory It's time to reclaim Aqueduct NY Daily News
From Gov. Cuomo comes the welcome news that Aqueduct’s days as a shabby and underutilized thoroughbred track are likely numbered.
In its heyday, Aqueduct drew tens of thousands of horse racing fans every day during its meet. Now, with racing’s steep decline and the availability of off-track wagering, it’s a hulking shell onto which has been grafted a video slot-machine casino.
The track and parking lots cover almost 200 acres of land in southern Queens that could be put to productive use — for example, as the site of affordable housing. This page has long called for shutting the place and moving its races to Belmont Park, just 8 miles to the east.
“I agree,” Cuomo said at a recent meeting with the Daily News Editorial Board.
“It’s been a waste,” he said. “You could do anything at Aqueduct. I mean, you’re right at the airport. It’s a great piece of property. It’s one of the largest pieces of property, probably, in the city of New York. . . .
“And Belmont needs help,” he added. “So you have to figure out a way that there’s a synergy between the two.”
Sitting next to Cuomo was budget director Robert Megna, who holds a place on the board of the New York Racing Association, operator of the Aqueduct, Belmont and Saratoga tracks.
Megna confirmed that NYRA’s recently appointed chairman, Cornell President David Skorton, and its newly hired CEO are studying the possible closure of Aqueduct “very closely.”
Good. New York City needs that land.
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Post by racinggal on Oct 27, 2013 13:40:28 GMT -5
I don't like saying this but my last trip to Aqueduct was "seeing the handwriting on the wall". While everything was done to make the casino attractive, nothing was done for racing fans.
I thought there was a deal. Can Cuomo do this legally? Then again, he's so arrogant, legalities don't matter to him. I will not be voting for him again. He is a major disappointment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 14:32:14 GMT -5
I'm sure I'll get jumped on for saying this, but...............
First, Aqueduct was the first thoroughbred track I ever went to, it was Tuesday afternoon, April 4, 1967 - I was a freshman in college, we skipped out of classes to go to the track (how can I remember all that but can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning???) The place was swarming with people. Back then they were getting almost 20,000 people on weekdays. If they ever decide to close Aqueduct, it will be a sad day for me.
But, on the other hand, after going there last year I decided I would never go there again. As RG points out, the casino is new and glitzy and clean, the race-track end of the building is run down, dingy, dirty, and they don't even have any traditional food stands or bars. The sea gulls have taken over the upper level, and there aren't many seats anywhere that don't have some sort of "stuff" from the local wildlife. Quite honestly, the place is a dump.
One other thing - seems like everyone agrees that the place is a dump, it's horrible, "I'll never go there again", etc. But when Cuomo or the state government says they're going to close it down, all of a sudden everyone is up in arms about it!
So, what's the bottom line? It's a horrible racing venue, but don't close it!!! WTF?
Remember folks, the place was a dump long before Cuomo ever thought about running for governor - in fact it really started going way downhill under the Pataki administration. If Cuomo does something with the place, although I'll be sad, its probably the sensible thing to do.
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Post by Jon on Oct 27, 2013 15:25:02 GMT -5
George - The answer is to do what was promised and renovate the Big A. It's not a "horrible venue". Yes - the fan amenities and facilities have been decimated - largely due to the casino building. That was not what was supposed to happen. It's a good track. It's an historic track. NY Racing can't afford to lose it because if Cuomo's re-elected, Belmont will be next on his hit list. Lots of promises for Aqueduct were made but now Andy is reneging. He took power of the NYRA and now he's exerting his ill-gotten power. His casino bill is terrible. He's an arrogant man. He doesn't listen and he doesn't compromise. He's short sighted and stubborn. And, unforunately, he doesn't understand the NY racing industry's impact on the state. I disagree that it's been a long time "dump". It's an older racetrack that was on a par with other tracks in the country - such as your beloved Suffolk. But it has a better track than most tracks. All tracks have had $ problems which has affected maintenance. Is the answer, because they're old, to get rid of them? Or is the answer to renovate? Aqueduct is a true race track. Not a tourist spot, not a mall, not a party hangout. www.ownerview.com/race-tracks/aqueductLike you, am a long time Dem but I don't blindly agree with all Dems. Disagree with Cuomo's actions about a lot of things including his quick fix but bad in the long term casino proposal. Think Obamacare is not well thought out and makes US Healthcare problems worse. And so forth. Cuomo would never had been elected if it weren't for his name. On his own merits (are there any?) he'd have a hard time being accepted as a town council volunteer! If you lived in NY, you might feel differently. Legally, if Aqueduct is closed, the casino has to close. But I'm sure, "I can do whatever I want because I'm the Governor" Cuomo will push through quickie legislation to stop that from happening. So then where does the promised % of casino money that was to go to Aqueduct end up? Bet it's not NY Racing. Since you've been there, do you really think a bigtime hotel/resort/mall will make it in that area? Not a friggin' chance!
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Post by Jon on Oct 27, 2013 17:18:45 GMT -5
Think this was posted before but am re-posting.
NY Thoroughbred Owners Association By Presdent Richard A. Violette, Jr.
Letter from the President, Winter, 2013 February 07, 2013 There has been much discussion of late on the topic of winter horse racing in New York. There are some who feel the sport would be better off without it. Nothing could be further from the truth. If winter racing is eliminated in New York, it will cripple the Thoroughbred industry in the state.
Opponents of winter racing too often form opinions without examining the ramifications, and the many dominoes that would tumble without it. There are many reasons why winter racing is a vital aspect of New York's Thoroughbred industry. Chief among them are the thousands of jobs supported by the industry. These jobs are central to racing's importance to the state. If you interrupt the cycle of year-round racing for any significant length of time, you also disrupt the cycle of full-time employment it creates. If winter racing is shut down for even a month or two, the barn areas at Aqueduct and Belmont Park would empty out, and we could lose 3,000 to 5,000 jobs in the blink of an eye.
The New York breeding industry would also take a huge hit. The New York-bred program is sustained in no small part by the purses earned in restricted races over the winter months. If you reduce the number of racing opportunities for New York-breds, you also reduce the incentive to participate in the New York breeding industry, and curtail the development of what is fast becoming one of the most vibrant breeding programs in the country.
Breeders would not be motivated to bring new broodmares and stallions to the state, and the breeding stock already here could be shipped to states with more advantageous programs, taking thousands of jobs and millions of dollars in revenue with them.
Aqueduct is a money maker for the New York Racing Association. The presence of Resorts World has greatly reduced racing's physical footprint in the Aqueduct grandstand, in turn greatly reducing NYRA's overhead. The racing, while it is clearly not our "A Game," still generates significant handle. Revenue is up, the profit margin has grown--winter racing has a positive impact on NYRA's bottom line. When the doors finally open to the long-awaited Longshots simulcasting facility at Aqueduct, the balance sheets will look even better.
Winter racing also supports purses throughout the year. The revenue from the handle at Aqueduct outpaces the level of purses distributed in the winter, allowing the NYRA purse fund to grow, and enabling NYRA to offer bigger purses during the Belmont spring and fall meets, and at Saratoga. This attracts better horses and produces high-quality racing. which in turn generates higher handle. To jeopardize this cycle would be simply bad business.
There is no question that our energies and our resources must be used to improve both the racing product and the racing experience. A better product on a day-to-day basis benefits the entire industry. And exploring all options to improve the safety of the horses and riders must always be a priority.
But efforts must be directed at making improvements not only at Saratoga in August, but at Aqueduct in January as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 9:12:47 GMT -5
George - .........Think Obamacare is not well thought out and makes US Healthcare problems worse......... If you lived in NY, you might feel differently. I'll leave the other stuff for "debate" - differences of opinion. However, I don't see what the Affordable Care Act (i.e., "Obamacare") has to do with whether or not Aqueduct remains open. Also, I lived in NY for more than forty years, 35 of them in Queens, roughly midway between Aqueduct and Belmont Park, and most of my family is in and around the NYC area. I've been going to all three NYRA racetracks for 45 years. Maybe BECAUSE I lived in NYC is why I feel the way I do?
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Post by Jon on Oct 28, 2013 12:49:56 GMT -5
Geo - Sorry my sentence that began with "Like you, am a long time Dem but I don't blindly agree with all Dems. Disagree ............." was unclear. I was citing a few examples. Have you lived here in the last decade? Probably I was incorrect that living in NY may make a difference. However we have lost tons of "services", seen big tax hikes and will be the ones who pay if and when over 10,000 people are put out of work. We will also have to make up the difference the horse industry currently pays to the state. You avoided my comments specifically about the Big A. It was not always a dump. It's an old racetrack and one of few still within a city. It's not Hwood. It has decent #'s. Did you read Violette's letter? I would think racing fans would agree with the horsemen, not the politically corrupt NYRA politicians aka Andy's puppets. Andy's going back to his original plan for Gening which was rebuffed. He HAS to get his way and will do w/e he needs to. He probably owes Genting. From 2012: www.nybreds.com/wp-content/uploads/Several-Parties-May-Have-a-Say-on-Future-of-Aqueduct.pdfwww.crainsnewyork.com/article/20120602/REAL_ESTATE/120609973
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