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Post by Evelyn on Oct 19, 2013 20:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 1:17:28 GMT -5
not me, and I like tyler
whatever you think the trainers are getting away with, its not as dangerous to the other riders as letting someone who is cracked out of their mind steer a 1200 pound animal at 40 moh. it is no different then saying its ok to give someone their drivers license back who has been busted for 4 or 5 drunk driving convictions. its clear he has no self control and doesn't even acknowledge that he has a problem. if he wants to drink or smoke or snort his life and career away I say let him. its his choice. but just don't expect to do it as a jockey. I have seen enough of that kind of leniency over the years from a much better jock then he is in Patrick. enough is enough.
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Post by Evelyn on Oct 20, 2013 11:34:37 GMT -5
I'm guessing that investigator had losing tickets on Tyler! He's had a lot of tragedy. Turning to alcohol isn't the answer of course but he deserves a chance. He knows he has a problem - "I got into rehab as soon as I could.” PVal, Gomez and others have had tons of chances and they didn't have the personal trauma. The request was for a conditional license. It should be granted. If he fails again, that's it. That should be made crystal clear to him.
Trainers putting doped up, unsound horses on the track is exceptionally dangerous. If they go down the results can be devastating.
(Pval hasn't been a good jock for years. I wouldn't trut him on an ostrich!)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 23:47:19 GMT -5
tyler has had chances, hes been in and out of trouble for a few years now.
I guess im just not into bending over backwards to help people who repeatedly choose to throw their life away, but I guess that conversation should be saved for the politics board.
and I never said p val. was what he once was. its obvious he isn't. but he is also somewhere around 50 years old. tyler couldn't hold p val's jockstrap when he was in his prime.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 8:53:34 GMT -5
My position (if that's important) is that he's had lots of chances, more than a typical person in society. If I ever showed up for work drunk I'd be sent home immediately. If it happened again (assuming the place I worked at gave a "second chance") I'd be fired on the spot.
He doesn't simply have a problem with drinking - he has a serious problem with drinking. Driving a car with a blood alcohol level FOUR times the legal limit (as noted in the article) shows that he's a serious alcoholic.
Alcohol is one of the most serious "drugs" in society today. Unlike cocaine, heroin, etc., its considered acceptable to consume alcohol in public, at home, at race tracks, baseball games, etc. So, it's a difficult one to control - both by the consumer and those around him/her. It changes personalities - it turns nice, friendly people nasty. And sadly it destroys families and friendships.
Getting back to Tyler Baze, when do we/they reach that point where he has crossed the line? Three times, four times, five times? He needs serious help, and giving him a virtual free pass once again isn't going to help him solve his problem.
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Post by Jon on Oct 21, 2013 8:55:03 GMT -5
It's not a free pass. They asked for a conditional license.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 11:18:03 GMT -5
Jon, when he was suspended again in early July (retroactive to the June date), he was already riding with a conditional license. So the way it played out is that he was riding with a conditional license at the time (one of the conditions that he be subjected to testing) and he failed one of those conditions - resulting in the current suspension.
Not only that, the DUI where he blew 4 times the legal amount occurred AFTER the failed test at Hollywood Park! Something is wrong here.
I don't know how it works, but if it were in my hands I'd like to see him clearly demonstrate that he is sober - for more than 81 days, before I'd be willing to grant him another, even conditional, license.
This is more important than simply his riding career - this has to do with his life inside and outside racing. Years from now he won't be riding, but he'll be a member of society.
I've known a number of alcoholics in my life - many have gone into rehabilitation programs. Some stay sober, some don't. From his "past performances", Tyler Baze has shown it's just a matter of time before he falls back into the downward spiral of drinking.
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Post by Jon on Oct 21, 2013 12:37:55 GMT -5
It's a business. The CHRB isn't his mommy. Am not sure they can deprive him of earning a living without solid current proof. They should be fair. He was asked to complete rehab. He did.
Gomez obviously took off because he couldn't risk a failed test but they'll let him back, as they have in the past. And others.
The CHRB plays favorites - with trainers expecially and now jockeys also.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 12:52:43 GMT -5
I know the CHRB isn't the most "transparent" (damn, I hate using that word!) racing commission or board in the country, and they play favorites, but this guy has had several chances. As I pointed out, even when he was found over the limit in early July he was riding with a conditional license anyway. And just a couple of weeks later he went out and was driving with a blood alcohol level four times the legal limit. I know he completed a second rehab stint, and now says he has been sober for 81 days. My opinion is that now it's time for HIM to do something - prove over a long period of time that you've learned your lesson before being given a third (or fourth, I've lost track) chance.
I'm all for second or even third chances - this time the onus should be put on him, not the racing board.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 14:52:11 GMT -5
jon your line sums it up.............The CHRB plays favorites - with trainers expecially and now jockeys also.
and now your asking them to do so again.
when does it stop? how many times before enough is enough?
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Post by Evelyn on Oct 21, 2013 20:51:41 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly what the CHRB rules are? Are decisions based solely on personal opinions on a case by case basis? Arethere any legal ramifications? Hey RG - a google project!!!
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Post by Evelyn on Oct 26, 2013 16:21:05 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about this. What will the stupid biased CHRB do when Gomez decides to return?
Suspended jockey Baze denied reinstatement
By Steve Andersen
DRF
ARCADIA, Calif. – Jockey Tyler Baze, who has been suspended since June for failing a sobriety test at Betfair Hollywood Park, has been denied reinstatement by the Santa Anita stewards for failure to comply with the terms of his summertime suspension, according to a ruling issued Saturday.
In a two-paragraph ruling, the stewards said Baze failed to undergo evaluation with the Winners Foundation, which aids people in racing with substance-abuse problems. Saturday’s ruling states that Baze must be evaluated by the Winners Foundation “and abide by the terms set forth by that organization” before a fitness-for-license hearing will be held.
Baze did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment Saturday.
On Oct. 19, Baze attended a fitness-for-license hearing with stewards Scott Chaney, Kim Sawyer, and Tom Ward, requesting reinstatement. At the time, California Horse Racing Board investigators argued that Baze should not be allowed to request reinstatement until Oct. 19, 2014, because of an arrest for driving under the influence in Santa Rosa, Calif., in late July.
Baze was involved in a traffic accident in Santa Rosa and was jailed for five days for driving under the influence and driving with a suspended license. Baze had a blood-alcohol level of 0.354 percent, more than four times the California legal limit of 0.08, according to California Highway Patrol records.
At the Oct. 19 hearing, Baze’s attorney argued that the jockey should be reinstated under a conditional license that requires random substance-abuse testing.
On July 7, Baze was suspended 120 days, retroactive to June 13, for failing the sobriety test at Hollywood Park, a violation of a provisional license he signed with the racing board in 2012.
The terms of the suspension dictated that Baze attend a 60-day in-house residency rehabilitation program, undergo evaluation with the Winners Foundation, comply with the terms of a testing agreement with the racing board, and attend a fitness hearing with the stewards.
Baze did not attend the evaluation meeting with the Winners Foundation, the stewards said Saturday.
The July suspension was the second for Baze in two years. Baze, 31, was suspended at Del Mar in August 2011 for failing to take a breath test. The terms of that suspension required a 30-day residency rehabilitation program. Baze did not immediately comply with those terms and was reinstated under a conditional license in October 2012.
At the time of his suspension last summer, Baze was in the midst of an excellent 2013 season. On June 13, he was tied for the lead in the jockeys’ standings at the spring-summer meeting at Hollywood Park. Baze is best known for winning the Eclipse Award as the nation’s outstanding apprentice jockey of 2000.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 16:28:02 GMT -5
What amazes me is that he was riding with a provisional license. He violated the terms of that provisional license and was suspended. Now his lawyer wants him reinstated with a provisional license?
Does that constitute a provisional license for a provisional license? Does that mean he has to pass each test TWICE, once for each provisional license?
In New York we'd call that "chutzpah"!
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Post by Evelyn on Oct 26, 2013 16:56:46 GMT -5
Why not? They allowed PVal back and he did the same thing. There is no copsistency with the CHRB. I think they are easily "bribed" LOL
Maybe Tyler can go to LA!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 18:02:07 GMT -5
I think the difference may be that Valenzuela's problem was drugs, which can be masked or disguised, or tests more easily evaded than alchohol abuse. Remember that story where Valenzuela showed up for a drug test completely shaved and depilated? He knew that the test he was to undergo used hair follicles: www.utsandiego.com/news/2004/jul/20/close-shave-may-cost-valenzuela-del-mar-season/all/?printNo such luck for alcohol abusers - for them their dependency is much more evident and easier to prove. |
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Post by Jon on Oct 26, 2013 18:39:07 GMT -5
Huh? PVal violated his conditional license but was allowed back. Drugs or booze didn't matter.
CHRB needs consistency. They are a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 22:15:04 GMT -5
the kid cant follow the rules. he has shown that. he doesn't deserve to be riding. the mistakes and bad decisions the chrb has made in other situations has nothing to do with this. I agree p val. should have run out of chances long agao as well, but does that mean they should keep making the same mistakes over and over again? he was already under suspension for 120 days and had been for less the a month when he got popped again with a BAL of over .35!!! do you know how bad that is? he clearly either has no respect for authority or no will power whatsoever.
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