afleettreet
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Post by afleettreet on Sept 27, 2013 16:46:06 GMT -5
I was offering an independent perspective...this entire SPORT is dying...not jsut the breeders cup...when they say attendance is down but people are still betting that cements my theories. Not ALLpeople attending the races go to be money and that's the truth. Many go for the xperience of it as I do.
I hear people saying they won't return but then also hear them say they have attended yet never in the West (how can you knock something you have never gone to?) ...this is NOT about a CA thing to me...I don't live in CA I live in WA and travel no metter where the bC is held because our group MAKES the event and has a blast doing just that.
People complain about Baffert having several BC horses but not a peep about Todd PLetcher have 1/4 of the entire Derby field? THAT is a double standard no matter what trainer we are talking about in ANY jurisdiction.
Re: Ben's Cat...you said he wont' ship to CA but he didnt' ship to Churchill Downs either when it was there 2 years in a row. When it was at Churchill 2 years ina row nobody complained...the complaints only came out of the East when SA won the BC location the last two years.
It's neither here nor there...some people bet on $2500 claiming races...some dont' even watch those races. Some people ONLY follow the big televised races like the BC and TC races and most of those people are casual observers of racnig and not die hard fans liek we all are...it is THOSE people that we always want to aspire to imerse in our beloved sport and honestly it is the BC and TC races that draw "newbies" into it. I get the arguments for and against the BC and agree that it is NOT what it once was or what it was desnged to be BUT times can and do change and our economy isn't what it should be either....nor is healthcare, child care, eduaction, debt, etc, etc, etc.....times chaneg and I think the BC, while it may be a disappointment to many is also a joy to others....I think that we should embrace drawing more peopel into our sport by glorifying races like the BC races, the TC races and even those average every day races at tracks across the country. THAT is likely the ONLY way thios sport will survive by getting new fans and new ideas out on the table. There is always room for tweaking things but taking things away rught now (except perhaps race day drugs) isn't necessarily the answer because it makes those of us in the sport content. We will always attend the races and such...but new people won't WANT to unless we make it something worth wanting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 19:22:11 GMT -5
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE SUPER BOWL WAS PLAYED ANYWHERE THAT WASNT IN CALI, FLORIDA, OR A DOME? WEATHER IS DEFINATELY A FACTOR IN THAT DECISION AS WELL. How about February 2014? Off the subject, but I can't wait to see that hockey game at Dodger Stadium this season, should be a "sloppy track"! |
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Post by cait on Sept 27, 2013 19:54:42 GMT -5
wiz dear, 30 yrs ago, those bargain flights to newark metropolitan airport were a real bitch  everyone has differing opinions - i'd only go again if it was at laurel - but here's an answer for nyra puppet kay re the big a - build a dome! it can expand to the new mall being planned |
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Post by racinggal on Sept 28, 2013 19:26:15 GMT -5
Racing needs new fans. I don't think anyone gets hooked by watching on TV. Racing is losing an opportunity with the BC to make new fans. The BC should be held at a different location every year. I think a lot of people would go because it's an "Event". And I also think many of them would be new to racing and perhaps "get hooked"!
I also think 1 day only.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 20:27:23 GMT -5
this is my last post on the topic.
regarding where its held, I agree alternating tracks is fair and right, but weather should have a say in it. and if new York doesn't like the offer they were given, then stop bitching about not having it there.
as far as fans and the two days of racing, I really don't think any "new players" care about the politics of it or what the original plans behind the whole thing were. it was 30 years ago. no one cares anymore, especially people who are new to the sport. how is it going to hurt the sport or detract from fan interest by ADDING events to it? those extra races might be unnecessary in the championship scheme of things, but they still are full fields of good or even great horses. isn't that what we all want to see? who cares if it isn't deciding a year end honor? it goes back to my same argument I have with overloading these super Saturday type cards at Belmont or santa anita today? why does everything have to be in one day? why not spread it out and attract more fans on multiple days? hell I say they should make an entire weekend out of it and run on sunday also. youd have 3 days of great racing with great horses in 4 or 5 races a day. how would that hurt racing? also what little bit of coverage it does get anymore is still a lot more then racing would be getting without it. like fleet said, there are a lot of things today that aren't what we thought they were going to be 30 years ago. that doesn't mean they have to be discarded just because they aerent perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 20:49:34 GMT -5
"NY" wasn't given an "offer", they were given an ultimatum. And I don't think many in NY really give a crap at this point. They make more money on a typical Saturday of their own racing than they would on a Breeders' Cup Saturday. That was posted somewhere on this site about a week or two ago.
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Post by racinggal on Sept 28, 2013 21:55:13 GMT -5
I think casual fans and new people would go for 1 day only. It would be an event - like the Super Bowl. They would not go 2 or 3 days in a row. One day is plenty for the supposed Super Bowl of racing. They want to see the horses that have been in the news - all on the same day.
The current "super" days are being done because tracks say they have been very successful.
It's not a given that NY, Delaware or Maryland weather will be bad in early November. Some years it's quite nice. Why not Delaware. It's a very nice race track. Global warming is happening! I think horses would rather be cool than overheated too. Using weather seems unfair and is an argument proponents of SA employ. There's Florida, Lousiana, Arkansas, Texas also.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 22:57:50 GMT -5
I think casual fans and new people would go for 1 day only. It would be an event - like the Super Bowl. They would not go 2 or 3 days in a row. One day is plenty for the supposed Super Bowl of racing. They want to see the horses that have been in the news - all on the same day. The current "super" days are being done because tracks say they have been very successful. It's not a given that NY, Delaware or Maryland weather will be bad in early November. Some years it's quite nice. Why not Delaware. It's a very nice race track. Global warming is happening! I think horses would rather be cool than overheated too. Using weather seems unfair and is an argument proponents of SA employ. There's Florida, Lousiana, Arkansas, Texas also. I pointed out somewhere here that the precipitation in NYC on Breeders' Cup Day (Saturday) for each of the last 10 years has been 0.00". Normally in NYC the end of October and beginning of November is pretty dry. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 0:27:29 GMT -5
you say you (new Yorkers) don't care at this point George but everytime someone mentions the breeders cup, you and everyone else have an opinion on it and bad mouth it. which is it? if they only want to go for one day then let them. no one says they have to go for all three. but why not have the option? once again, you say new people don't want more then one day, but how do you know? most of these new people aren't even there because of the big name horses because they don't even know who they are. should they not have a second or third day so they instead card more dismal races instead?
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Post by cait on Sept 29, 2013 14:09:08 GMT -5
wiz - people respond. you keep attacking NY so New Yorkers respond. your "dismal races" comment is an example. you have your opinions which is fine but so do other people. their opinions aren't wrong because they differ from yours.
the point being made is not whether the BC should be in NY. It's whether it should stay in one location or rotate around the country - as was the original concept. still say Laurel is a perfect location
it is 30 years later. my response to that is the BC was much more successful until all of the changes to the original concept were made. so why does the BC Corporation keep making unsuccessful changes? they want more races and 2 days because despite watering down the actual racing. lowering paid attendance and viewership, lowering interest. losing network TV, the Corporation makes more $.
i'm not changing my thoughts. the original BC was created to HELP horseracing. the current BC doesn't give a damn about horses or the industry. they only care about their profit. how many more horsemen have to resign from the BC Board? creating a non-profit subsidiary was sneaky – combining their financials is very sneaky –for ex - why won’t they post a list of their charitable donations – what is the BC currently doing to actually help racing?
location is only part of it – the revised BC just doesn’t work - for racing - it does work for these greedy, corporate shills – they are simply using horse racing for themselves, not helping it
it's great that some of you enjoy the drawn out 2 days filled with a lot of unnecessary, rather stupid races! for me, i'll watch and bet only a few - years ago, i was glued to the tv all day (if not at the event) - not now!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 15:57:27 GMT -5
cait, I actually found the Claiming Crown more interesting the last few years than the Breeders' Cup. Unfortunately, now that Stronach has hijacked it for four years (2012-2015) who knows what future that has?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 21:08:44 GMT -5
so they would be better off running 5 or 6 maiden races and a bunch of cows the day before and after then have a bunch of "unneccesary" and "stupid races" filled with horses that would normally be the feature races on normal days? so what is necessary and what isn't? where do you draw the line? should there be no undercard as well? should we do away with these unnecessary races on other days as well? what about saratogas 11 and 12 race cards every weekend that are filled with crap and/ or have only 5 or 6 horses?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 21:13:00 GMT -5
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Post by cait on Sept 29, 2013 22:03:13 GMT -5
who, pray tell, are the the local stars that would be "running in feature races" from this line-up? how many of these races are actually carded throughout the year? Marathon, Juvenile Turf, Juvenile Fillies Turf, Filly & Mare Sprint, .
the BC was run thru 2006 as a 1 day event. there was and is no need to make it a 2 day event
key words - Championship Day - therefore, no undercard - just a totally Championship Day as originally intended
The original line up was just fine. Maybe add the Filly and Mare Turf
Classic
Distaff
Turf
Mile
Sprint
Juvenile Males
Juvenile Fillies
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Post by Evelyn on Sept 29, 2013 22:44:09 GMT -5
The racing at the Spa has nothing to do with this thread.
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Post by shooter29 on Oct 2, 2013 14:53:13 GMT -5
I agree with Cait the original lineup was fine the way it was, but if it must be expanded then here is how they should do it:
One day, 12-race all BC supercard lineup as follows:
Juvenile Fillies Turf
Juvenile Fillies
Juvenile Turf
Juvenile
Filly & Mare Mile (Turf)
Filly & Mare Sprint
Mile (Turf)
Sprint
Filly & Mare Turf
Distaff
Turf
Classic
The Juvenile races should all be run at 9 furlongs with the Distaff run at the Classic distance of 10 furlongs and F&M Turf at the Classic Turf distance of 12 furlongs. Set up a Double Pick Six for bettors. And thus, a great day of great racing that actually means something.
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Post by lt1 on Oct 4, 2013 16:02:02 GMT -5
Football fans get screwed. The super bowl should be played in one of the cities involved. Playoff games are played in all kinds of weather. It's not fair to the fans who support their team all season long. Football like the BC doesn't give a damn about the fans . The only thing that counts for them is to line their greedy pockets.
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