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Post by afleettreet on Aug 27, 2013 16:06:42 GMT -5
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Post by racinggal on Aug 27, 2013 20:54:14 GMT -5
This was on the Paulick Report. I don't really understand Timeform. Game On Dude was terrific! Would this make a difference? Would it be a record of some kind?
Final Time of Pacific Classic Questioned Paulick Report
Game On Dude turned in a brilliant performance when winning the Grade 1 TVG Pacific Classic on Sunday, taking command early in the race and cruising to the wire to win by 8 1/2 lengths.
However, a discrepancy has been noticed in the final time of the race – the official chart lists the time as 2:00.69 for the 1 1/4 miles, whereas Trakus has the official time as 1:59.26.
Craig Milkowski, the head speed figure maker for TimeformUS believes the official chart is incorrect, and that it should be corrected to the Trakus figure. Milkowski has researched and compared the 2013 edition of the race to last year’s running, and has evidence to back up his claim.
Read more at TimeformUS
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Post by Challedon on Aug 27, 2013 21:11:20 GMT -5
Trakus is most likely the correct time
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Post by Jon on Aug 27, 2013 22:02:51 GMT -5
Also this:
Beyer Figure for Pacific Classic revised DRF
The Beyer Speed Figure for Game on Dude’s runaway victory in the Pacific Classic has been revised upward to 113.
Game on Dude’s published time for the 1 1/4-mile event was 2:00.69, a slow performance which, if taken at face value, would have produced an implausibly low speed figure for the fastest horse in America this season. The Trakus timing system at Del Mar cast doubt on the “official” time by recording a final time of 1:59.26.
Randy Moss, a member of the Beyer Speed Figure team and the creator of the Moss Pace Figures did a frame-by-frame analysis comparing Sunday’s Pacific Classic with the 2012 race. He concluded that Game on Dude ran 0.20 seconds slower than Dullahan did last year, making his final time 1:59.74 seconds. That time is the basis for Game on Dude’s figure of 113.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 0:54:31 GMT -5
what was fed biz's beyer? anyone know?
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Post by Jon on Aug 28, 2013 8:30:00 GMT -5
Think it was 102 - He sets a track record and gets 102 while Dude gets 113?
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Post by mackdaddy on Aug 28, 2013 9:11:37 GMT -5
Either get new clockers or do something different. Jesus its not hard to to clock them.
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Post by Jon on Aug 28, 2013 11:24:31 GMT -5
Didn't GOD's time also get changd after the CT Classic? Makes me think someone's bitchin' LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 11:52:54 GMT -5
Think it was 102 - He sets a track record and gets 102 while Dude gets 113? They believe in Game On Dude's initials!
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Post by afleettreet on Aug 28, 2013 16:13:00 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHA!
The conspiracy theories abound! I should say I am NOT surprised BUT times get changed all the time...Hell even Secretariat's Preakness got changed 30+ years later...damn Penny Chenery for pitching up a stink.
Remeber, Game On Dude ALSO set a track record for the largest margin of victory at a 1 1/4 in the Pacific Classic since it was run over Polytrack...not bad for a horse who doesnt' prefer polytrack but then again getting better with age only applies in the East huh?
Come On You Guys!!! Can't you recognize a good race by a good horse when you see one? Better yet, can't you at least give credit where it is due? Here you tout Royal Delta who beat basically no one but one decent horse and yet Dude runs in a stacked field of legitimate contenders and annihilates them and now there must be someone bitching? He is THE fastest horse in America...accept it. Better yet...try a new concept...embrace it and enjoy it while you have it...look at the glass as half full sometimes...might surprise ya!
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Post by Challedon on Aug 28, 2013 16:21:40 GMT -5
this game is still in the stone age in so many respects
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Post by cait on Aug 28, 2013 16:28:34 GMT -5
agree with chall - sure he looked good but seriously, that was a zenyatta type G1 cali race when you look at the field - yes, yes, not the horse's fault!
i'll be impressed if he does anything near that in the BCC - re the drf jerardi article posted, i believe he says that too - if no 3 yr old steps up, wise dan wins out, incl BC, dude loses at BC, wise dan prolly HOTY - again
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Post by afleettreet on Aug 28, 2013 17:08:06 GMT -5
Well to GoD's defense, he is the best older horse at a route of ground in America right now and surely the fastest horsey out there...IF he wins the BC Classic Wise Dan will have to kiss a consecutive HOY award goodbye because a route of ground ALWAYS trumps a mile on the grass. Sadly no matter what all those WD fans think that is generally the way Eclispe voting goes and likely wont change this year. And for what it's worth, IF Game On Dude wins the BC Classic...HE DESERVES HOY!
And wondering why Royal Delta is being touted as s uperstar when she has beaten far less stellar fields than Game On Dude has...and dont' get me wrong...I am JUST curious,...it seems double standardish to me to tout one horse who basically "wins for fun" against WAY inferior competition time and again and who avoids the bigger races in favor of smaller and less prominent ones to another horse who steps into the gatre no matter who shows up. Horse shipped in to beat him and couldn't...yet I don't remember reading about all the stellar competition lining up to take down the queen right now...why is RD a superstar and GoD relegated to being dissed just as Z was?? JUST curious and wanta decent answer from anyone who can explain this type of double standard to me so I can understasnd the logic behind it.
And I somewhat agree with Challedon too...stone age indeed...until AMERICA opens their eyes and wises up and makes racing chock full on accontability and integrity and levels the playing field for all of the global competitors to come here and compete on a fair field with no disadvantage (race day meds) we will continue to sink into racing obscurity and eventually fizzle out altogether.
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Post by mackdaddy on Aug 28, 2013 18:41:51 GMT -5
G.O.D. = 's the globetrotters beating up the generals at your local sports arena. In defense of the horse, its not his problem there ain't anyone else. This is not a east west stir up. Look at the competition. The classic is a MUST WIN for dude if he wants the HOTY. IMO he is nothing more than a ressurected lava man.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 19:21:22 GMT -5
AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, I AM NOT BIASED AND NEVER HAVE BEEN IN THE WHOLE EAST VS, WEST THING. IT JUST MAY APPEAR THAT WAY BECAUSE I END UP DEFENDING THE WEST AGAINST ALL THE EASTERN BASHERS. AND HERE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
WE ALL KNOW I LIKE BOB. WE ALSO KNOW I DEFEND DEL MAR. BUT SORRY TREET, THAT WAS NOT A STACKED FIELD HE RAN AGAINST. IT WAS A HORRIBLE FIELD QUALITY WISE FOR A MILLION DOLLAR RACE. QUANTITY WISE, IT WAS GREAT. BIG FIELDS ARE WHAT MATTERS AND WHAT MAKES GOOD RACING ANYWAY, SO THAT IS FINE WITH ME. BUT QUALITY WISE, IT WAS SUBPAR. ALSO THE RACE WAS HANDED TO HIM ON A SILVER PLATTER WHEN THE ON DELEGATION DECIDED HE WAS MORE INTERESTED IN PLAYING HOPSCOTCH WITH THE 13 THEN HE WAS WITH WINNING THE RACE. I COULD HAVE OUTRUN THOSE HORSES MYSELF IF THEY LET ME GO 48 AND CHANGE ON AN UNCONTESTED LEAD!! THIS IS IN NO WAY BAFFERTS OR GOD'S FAULT, BUT THAT RACE REALLY PROVED NOTHING MORE THEN WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW. GOD CAN WIN WHEN ALLOWED TO DICTATE HIS OWN LEISURELY PACE AGAINST SUBPAR HORSES.I BET AGAINST HIM SUNDAY, AND I WILL BET AGAINST HIM AGAIN IN THE BREEDERS CUP, EVEN IF IT IS ON HIS FAVORITE TRACK. WHEN HE GETS HOOKED BY A GOOD HORSE, YOU WILL SEE A MUCH DIFFERENT STORY. SUNDAYS RACE............ NOT IMPRESSED. HE MAY HAVE BEATEN THAT BAD FIELD EVEN IF THEY HAD RUN WITH HIM EARLY, BUT IT SURE WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF SOMEONE HAD TRIED.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 19:25:26 GMT -5
MACK AT THIS POINT THE CLASSIC IS A MUST WIN FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS HOTY HONORS, EXCEPT FOR POSSIBLY WD WHO WONT BE IN IT BUT STILL NEEDS TO WIN THE MILE TO BE CONSIDERED. WHO ELSE DO YOU SEE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE VOTED HOTY WITHOUT WINNING THE CLASSIC?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 22:10:36 GMT -5
agree with chall - sure he looked good but seriously, that was a zenyatta type G1 cali race when you look at the field - yes, yes, not the horse's fault! i'll be impressed if he does anything near that in the BCC - re the drf jerardi article posted, i believe he says that too - if no 3 yr old steps up, wise dan wins out, incl BC, dude loses at BC, wise dan prolly HOTY - again The runner-up was a $17,500 claimer at Hawthorne before he shipped out to California.
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Post by Jon on Aug 28, 2013 22:25:01 GMT -5
Too bad the BC is in Cali. WOuld like to see him ship into Belmont, Gulfstream or Arlington and win (yeah yeah - he shipped to the Bull Ring LOL)
Anyone else think that the Eclipse voting's been affected by the increase of media voters - like the TVG crew? We already know Dude can finish last in the Classic and they'll still vote for him LOL
The Eclipses have lost a lot of validity IMO because they put too much emphasis on the what has become the BCrappyCup LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 22:26:52 GMT -5
From DRF: www.drf.com/news/del-mar-officials-leave-pacific-classic-time-unchanged-after-reviewDEL MAR, Calif. – The disputed Pacific Classic final time will stand. Del Mar officials met Wednesday afternoon to discuss the final time of last Sunday’s Pacific Classic and decided that no disruption occurred with the timing mechanism, leaving the final time for Game On Dude’s electrifying win as 2:00.69 for 1 1/4 miles over the Polytrack synthetic surface. Track timer Russ Hudak hand-timed the race in 1:59.96, while Trakus, a wireless radio frequency tracing system used at Del Mar, recorded a final time of 1:59.26. Wednesday afternoon, several track executives, including Hudak and director of racing Tom Robbins, reviewed the race and found no evidence of a malfunction, such as a person tripping the timing device before the horses reached a beam that starts the clock. "The bottom line is we haven't seen or heard anything that tells us a change is needed," Robbins said in a statement. During the meeting, several camera angles were reviewed to see if anything odd happened at the start. “It didn’t appear to happen,” Hudak said. Hudak said the run-up from the placement of the starting gate to the beam is shorter for races over 1 1/4 miles at Del Mar, at 45 feet. He said the run-up for most races at Betfair Hollywood Park and Santa Anita range from 55 to 70 feet, meaning the runners are at a higher speed when the clock starts. The official split times of the race, in quarter-mile increments, were 24.19 seconds for the first quarter-mile, 47.96 for a half-mile, 1:12.61 for six furlongs, a mile in 1:36.61, and a final time of 2:00.69. Trakus recorded quicker times throughout 22.91, 46.83, 1:11.36, 1:35.31, and 1:59.26. As a result of the discrepancy in the final times, Andy Beyer revised Game On Dude’s Beyer Speed Figure from 109 to 113 after a video review comparing the race with the 2012 running. When Beyer’s colleague Randy Moss, well-known as a television racing commentator, studied Sunday’s race on a frame-by-frame basis and compared it to the 2012 running won by Dullahan, Moss said the race was .20 of a second slower than last year, at 1:59.74. Basing the assessment on that final time, Beyer revised Game On Dude’s speed figure to 113.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 22:56:29 GMT -5
I posted in the Jockey Club (a great place to hang out at Belmont Park, by the way.... ) that today the decision was made to NOT change the final time. It stands as is.
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