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Post by cait on May 6, 2015 14:41:35 GMT -5
think nyra needs to find a new word to replace "enhanced" lol - seriously, better ways to solve the problem - if they took the time and spent the money!
NYRA to Cap Belmont Attendance at 90,000
By Frank Angst
Bloodhorse
In an acknowledgement there are accommodation limits at Belmont Park, the New York Racing Association has decided to cap attendance at 90,000 for this year's Belmont Stakes (gr. I) day of racing.
In a May 6 release NYRA said the attendance cap is similar to policies and practices of professional sports teams.
"(The attendance cap) will not only result in an enhanced experience for Belmont guests, but will further improve access to and from the Belmont property on Saturday," NYRA said. "It will also complement Saturday's post-race concert, which is anticipated to further stagger the exit from the Belmont property following the final race."
NYRA has landed the Goo Goo Dolls for a concert following this year's Belmont Stakes.
Belmont Park has experienced problems in recent years with large crowds on days a horse is going for the Triple Crown. Last year, after California Chrome came up short in his Triple Crown bid before 102,199 fans, an estimated 36,000 guests using the Long Island Rail Road were stuck at the track awaiting service for hours after the race.
In 2008, water was shut off or pressure was lowered throughout the facility when 94,476 turned out to watch Big Brown 's attempt to win the Triple Crown.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 19:27:47 GMT -5
lol. great solution. also good to see their priorities are in order. only your biggest day of the year and your worried about getting everyone out to make things more convenient for a concert that night instead of trying to fix the problems and get as many people in there as you can safely to help promote the sport.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 12:54:43 GMT -5
have to agree on this one.
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Post by Jon on May 7, 2015 19:48:59 GMT -5
It will be a more "enhanced" experience. Andy's NYRA sucks. Kay is an ass. The loss of revenue will also hurt but that's what this dumb Gov wants.
Hey RG - maybe this will assure toilet paper in the ladies rooms LOL
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Post by Evelyn on May 7, 2015 21:25:12 GMT -5
She won't need theirs if her tote bag is allowed  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 21:38:52 GMT -5
tell her to bring an extra roll in case she stays for the concert.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 22:20:33 GMT -5
Practically speaking, in over 100 years the attendance has only exceeded 90,000 five times. Remember, unlike Churchill Downs and Pimlico, the Belmont Park infield (rightfully) isn't open to the public, so everyone is in the stands, apron, or backyard.
I've been to three Belmonts where the attendance was more than 80,000, and it was so packed that it was difficult to move around. Even a few times when they had a lot less people it was very uncomfortable. I still don't know where they put 120,000 last year or back in 2004.
As far as the cap is concerned, Yankee Stadium has a capacity of 50,200. That is their attendance "cap". Other than some standing room, they don't sell an unlimited number of tickets.
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Post by teenagewildlife on May 7, 2015 22:36:13 GMT -5
Practically speaking, in over 100 years the attendance has only exceeded 90,000 five times. Remember, unlike Churchill Downs and Pimlico, the Belmont Park infield (rightfully) isn't open to the public, so everyone is in the stands, apron, or backyard. I've been to three Belmonts where the attendance was more than 80,000, and it was so packed that it was difficult to move around. Even a few times when they had a lot less people it was very uncomfortable. I still don't know where they put 120,000 last year or back in 2004. As far as the cap is concerned, Yankee Stadium has a capacity of 50,200. That is their attendance "cap". Other than some standing room, they don't sell an unlimited number of tickets. wowsers! george is back! |
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Post by Jon on May 8, 2015 2:10:23 GMT -5
It's total BS as the back area is larger tha either Chill or Pimlico's infields.
From Wiki:
It has a total attendance capacity of more than 100,000, with the adjoining backyard being able to accommodate more than 10,000.
Typical bonehead move by Andy's NYRA. They should work out traffic with the police and pay them to carry out a plan. They should honor parking passes, They should provide more bus/train service from Manhattan, Brooklyn, Jersey, Suffolk County etc. They want the loss of revenue. Cuomo hates racing and wants the money it gets - by agreement - to go his way too many upstate casinos. Man - he must really owe those casino developers bigtime! Within 5-10 yrs of being built, half of them will close. No way upstate can support that many.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 3:11:37 GMT -5
really? i know someone who has been saying that for years now. i wonder who that could be?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 7:49:01 GMT -5
EVERY Sports Arena,Stadium has a capacity, Uh Duh
To cap a attendance figure is a total joke, anyone who defends this move does so just for arguments sake.
Next Subject, oh yeah the 5 horse Peter Pan Stakes
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Post by lt1 on May 8, 2015 9:55:53 GMT -5
I been to the Belmont 4 times including the one where IHA was going for the TC before he scratched. Never had a problem moving around or betting or anything else. I guess it was because I'm used to dealing with big crowds so I wasn't overwhelmed.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 10:59:16 GMT -5
EVERY Sports Arena,Stadium has a capacity, Uh Duh To cap a attendance figure is a total joke, anyone who defends this move does so just for arguments sake. Next Subject, oh yeah the 5 horse Peter Pan Stakes uh, you mean 4 horse peter pan stakes, right? |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 11:27:33 GMT -5
As of now there are five in the Peter Pan unless there was a recent scratch? (are you thinking of the 4-horse Vanity?  ) But the Peter Pan has never been a big draw for horsemen. Even back in the semi-glory days of 1990s racing, twice the race has had only five runners and once only FOUR runners. Being a race for 3-year olds, the location of the race on the schedule (between the Kentucky Derby and Preakness) it always attracts either the second or third tier 3-year olds or horses that are lightly raced and possibles for the Belmont Stakes. And I know some tout it as a Belmont Stakes prep race, mostly because of it's place on the overall schedule, but in the last fifty years only four Peter Pan winners have gone on to win the Belmont Stakes. |
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Post by cait on May 8, 2015 12:02:23 GMT -5
True George. The Peter Pan is a g2 - the vanity is a g1 - and it has a huge entry of 4 - but of course no disparaging posts about the vanity because it's not in ny - yeah, sure - no bias here lmao
dunno if there was a scratch - entries today show
1 Wolf Man Rocket (KY) 3/C L I Ortiz, Jr. 120 B Baffert 2/1
2 Madefromlucky (KY) 3/C L J Castellano 116 T A Pletcher 3/1
3 Conquest Curlinate (ON) 3/C L S Bridgmohan 116 M E Casse 5/1
4 Two Weeks Off (KY) 3/C L J R Velazquez 116 T A Pletcher 9/5
5 Tiz Shea D (KY) 3/C L J Lezcano 116 W I Mott 12/1
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 13:51:44 GMT -5
a grade 2? oh you mean like the black eyed susan. a supposed leg of the filly tc which cant even attract enough quality fillies to earn grade 1 status even though it is the one of the two marquee races of the meet at pimlico? last time i checked, the vanity was not one of santa anitas most attractive or marketable races and is also towards the very end of a long ardous meet. no the day before the biggest race of the meet and within a month of opening day, when the local horses are still fresh. plus what is the purse of the vanity again? im pretty sure not as much as the susan.
but back to the peter pan. so what your saying is, that even when belmont was in its glory days, they still couldnt attract a full field for a grade 2 event? why is that? bad marketing for 25 years? why do trainers and owners want to avoid the place? that is all im trying to figure out.
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Post by cait on May 8, 2015 14:05:00 GMT -5
the decrease in breeding over the last few years has made it's way to the entry boxes
so mr know it all - why has SA only attracted 4 for a G1? "why do trainers and owners want to avoid the place? that is all im trying to figure out." very few shippers actually - day in, day out, same old cast - yawn
as to the BES - it is what it is - but it's in MD so you have to trash it lol it's a good race with a great history and nobody gives a crap about the grade - they probably never applied to raise it to a g1 because everyone knows the grading system is ridiculous and was created to pander to euros and help males earn black type for stud - matters less for females - fillies are not pushed like colts so many over the years have opted for 5 weeks between races instead of 2 - 2 can be tough on a young filly who's still growing - there never was an official filly tc - no bonuses like for the colts
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 14:18:32 GMT -5
why do i have to trash it? im telling the truth. why do you have to defend it when what im saying is true? because it is in MD., that is why. but thats ok, right?
you really think they wouldnt like to be grade 1 status cait? are you serious? wow.
never said there was abomus, but they sure market it that way.
as for santa anita and shippers? exactly where are they supposed to ship in from? unlike the new york tracks they dont have dozens of other tracks within arms reach of each other. also they dont offer the same money in purses due to slots money. havent we been over this? does it need to be explained again. i know the fields are small there, but at least there are reasons. new york has none. they have the horses within shipping distance and they have the money to offer to attract more horses. yet they still dont come. why is that? your going to tell me a track like mountaineer can attract full fields but belmont cant?
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Post by cait on May 8, 2015 14:24:53 GMT -5
LMAO no one is disagreeing with the facts - just your BIASED and not very cleverly cloaked OPINION - yeah - if after 40 years, they haven't applied for a change, don't think they care - stronach sure doesn't give a hoot - his latest is to close pimlico which should make your day - you truly do accuse others(especially me lol) of doing EXACTLY what you do - so why are there only 4 in the vanity? as to the peter pan, rational opinions have been offered but you just carry on with the same drivel
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 14:27:37 GMT -5
wiz, just having a little fun here.....
The Vanity isn't an attractive or marketable race? But, but.....Zenyatta won it three years in a row!
The Peter Pan is a $200K Grade 2, the Vanity is a $300K Grade 1. But they really can't be compared at all - one is for 3-year olds and the other is for older females. I think the only reason they both came up together is that both have really small fields.
Yes, the Peter Pan has rarely attracted large fields, probably as I pointed out is that it's for 3-year olds and all the GOOD 3-year olds (or those with owners who insist on running in them) ran last week and/or are running next week. Maybe 50 years ago a horse would run only one week apart, but with today's training methods (and I don't think it has anything to do with weaker horses or lasix) we're lucky to see a horse run two races a month apart. So for tomorrow's race there really aren't many good 3-year old horses available to run.
Quite honestly, I think the Graded status of races these days are all screwed up. Why is the Black Eyed Susan still only Grade 2? Why is the Peter Pan (with small fields and lower level stakes horses) not downgraded? Unfortunately the answer may be, "but they've always been at that Grade"!
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