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Post by hesnotmypres on Feb 23, 2014 23:28:08 GMT -5
As I've said three times tonight many people see the Elephant in the room, yet they ignore him like he doesn't exist.
Or better yet this quote from a Movie: " you want the truth, you can't handle the truth"
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Post by Evelyn on Feb 23, 2014 23:40:00 GMT -5
Again - as I've said numerous times tonight - I don't disagree that the fan facilities at the Big A are in need of the promised renovations.
That movie quote does not apply. Why? Because NO ONE has said the Big A facilities are fine as they are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 23:57:03 GMT -5
deal with it? who is not dealing with it? it sounds to me like the one who cant "deal" with things is you ev. you are the one who gets upset when people point out the faults with the product being produced in new York. yes, overall, the new York racing circuit is number one handle wise. no one is arguing that. just like ca. is number two overall, I believe. but that doesn't mean ALL parts of it are or that it cant be improved. AQUEDUCT is the weak link in the chain, as hollywood was here. in fact, AQUYEDUCT brings down the overall product more for NY racing more then HOLLYWOOD did in ca. Not upset. However, "Product" is incorrect. The "Product" is the racing. Wiz - you are equally - or more - defensive about Del Mar's "Product". I'm not getting into a discussion about racing "Product" because we've done that many times and we have to agree to disagree. My main point is many other OLDER tracks have maintenance failures. Hell - let's just close them all! That would probably make Wiz pleases since the OLDER tracks - the ones that laid US racing's foundation are not in his beloved CA. Anyone not from NY - the photo is the posted by Pres is the Front Page of the Daily News. They have a similar approach to "News" as the Enquirer. LOL what does ca. have to do with this? where do you think Hollywood park was located? mars? if a track is a rundown shithole, it doesn't matter where it is. your the one making this about east/ west, not me. and as far as del mar goes, the only thing wrong with del mar has been their use of that synthetic track..............which they are remedying. when was the last time your beloved AQUEDUCT made improvements or tried to fix anything? and don't go blaming Cuomo or kay or whoever. its all the same. just like ca. racing is linked with the chrb, new York racing is linked to those guys. it is a package deal. if they are the ones running new York racing into the ground, then maybe they shouldn't have been elected or be in charge. who's fault is that? until they are gone, they are new York racing.
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Post by Evelyn on Feb 24, 2014 0:13:31 GMT -5
To be "fair" I took this article from the NY Daily News. I thought more info was needed since what Pres posted had inserted this link "The Daily News' coverage of the shocking sexual assault of a mentally disabled woman at Aqueduct." That line was not part of the article. IMO - it was inserted to add to the sensationalism aspect.
I'm NOT downplaying this horrible incident BUT - why would a mother take a disabled daughter, with "the wonder of a 2 yr old" to Aqueduct? The daughter disappeared when the Mother "turned away briefly to place a bet"? She must have been making a whole lot of bets. If she honestly took her daughter to "go see the horses" then she would have been keeping her eyes on her while they watched the horses. What Mother turns their back on a child at the racetrack? If she wanted to bet, then she should have brought someone else along.
Again, it's a terrible incident but in no way was this Aqueduct's fault. It could have happened anywhere. Who takes their child (especially a 2 yr old or a disabled child) to a race track and turns their back on them? Especially a track that they describe as “The men at the tracks now, they’re bums,” she said. “They curse, they steal. It was never like that before.”
From the NY Daily News A visit to the South Ozone Park, Queens, track on Super Bowl Sunday became hellish when the mom turned away to place a bet and her daughter disappeared. A joyous outing for a developmentally disabled woman who loved horses turned to a nightmare when she was sexually assaulted at Aqueduct Racetrack, her anguished mother told the Daily News. The 80-year-old mother said her daughter, at age 40, looks at the Aqueduct racehorses with the wonder of a 2-year-old. “I said to her, ‘Do you want to go see the horses?’ ” the mother recalled Tuesday from their home in Sunnyside, Queens. “She likes them a lot, we've been to the racetrack many times, so she said, ‘OK, let’s go.’ ” During their visit to the South Ozone Park, Queens, track on Super Bowl Sunday, they had been watching the races on the third floor of the track. “I’m going to bet one,” the mom said she told her daughter, and she turned away briefly to place her bet. When she turned back, her daughter was gone. Fear filled her in an instant. “I started looking around, but I didn’t see her,” the mother said. “I said to the guard, ‘My daughter disappeared.’ I was scared something happened to her.” They found a female guard, and the trio scoured the track. More guards joined the search. They searched bathrooms, they went to the track’s other floors. Then a guard told her that her daughter had been found, the mother told The News. “She’s fine,” she remembered the guard saying. They didn’t tell her her daughter was naked and screaming, huddled in a bathroom stall when she was rescued by a stranger who saw the alleged perpetrator leaving hurriedly, pulling up his pants as he fled. The unidentified woman who found the victim told police she heard the attacker warn “Don’t tell anybody” before he scurried from the bathroom. Frank Wood, 37, of Pennsylvania, was taken into custody and charged with sexual assault, a felony punishable by seven years in prison. In the family’s apartment, with its wooden coatrack carved in the shape of horses and small tapestry of white and brown horses hanging near the entryway, the mother choked back tears Tuesday night when she thought of what might have happened to her daughter. “We found her, he didn’t kill her,” she said. “They always find people like her dead.” “If something happened to her I’d die,” she said. The mother said the broken-down palace of what was once called “The Sport of Kings” is not the place it once was. “The men at the tracks now, they’re bums,” she said. “They curse, they steal. It was never like that before.”
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Post by Evelyn on Feb 24, 2014 0:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by Evelyn on Feb 24, 2014 0:27:41 GMT -5
Wiz - Your post is not true. You said "in fact, AQUYEDUCT brings down the overall product more for NY racing more then HOLLYWOOD did in ca."
You started the stupid East/West crap and you weren't talking about the facilities. That is what I took issue with. Please re-read my reply. As to your sentence, "in fact" is wrong - it should say "in my opinion"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 1:21:03 GMT -5
it is a FACT that the opinion of SIR WIZARD is a fact!!
omg!! sorry. I just had an out of body experience.
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Post by hesnotmypres on Feb 24, 2014 7:17:41 GMT -5
Evelyn:
The Headline WAS a part of the story.
Maybe you don't have kids, but at any given time a child can walk away from their parents or guardian. Why can't someone take a mentally disabled person to a Racetrack or a Casino? Aren't they entitled to a day out?
My wife's sister has a special need Son and we take him to Casinos,Racetracks, even on Cruises. He enjoys his time out.
Crime can happen anywhere, anytime . But since it happened at AQU it's the Mothers "fault" this incident happened. That in my opinion is just wrong.
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Post by lt1 on Feb 24, 2014 9:29:29 GMT -5
All parts of a track are its product not just the racing. Even if the racing product is good, which it is not at this time of year, if patrons especially those who bring families can't find clean restrooms and places to eat they are not coming back. Hell I carry a gun and won't go to Aqu.
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Post by lt1 on Feb 24, 2014 9:44:07 GMT -5
Ev in response to your question on what mom turns her back on her child at a race track I will tell you it not only happens at the track but at Dept stores, beaches, subways, and numerous other places. Good moms do get distracted and lose their children everyday of the week. So trying to put the blame on this mom is nonsense. Cannot a child with a disability leave their house or must they be kept under house arrest.
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Post by Evelyn on Feb 24, 2014 10:01:01 GMT -5
it is a FACT that the opinion of SIR WIZARD is a fact!! omg!! sorry. I just had an out of body experience. Wiz - We can disagree all day long but you do make me laugh!
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Post by Evelyn on Feb 24, 2014 10:11:58 GMT -5
LT - That's very sad but I know you're right. As to the Mother, I disagree. She knew the track, speaks badly of it yet HAS to bet. There's no way she made a quick bet and the daughter went missing that quickly. Something doesn't add up. She does bear part of the blame IMO
I posted that simply to clarify. The incident can't' be blamed on the track.
I also respectfully disagree about the definition of "product". And once again, I'm not defending the facility. There's no question it needs the renovations that were supposedly part of the casino deal but have not been done, as promised. I'm also saying, as is the case with everything reported by the Daily News, a lot of sensationalism was used in that article. I like Bossert. He's a decent 'capper. I'd bet Bossert was used for track access but the bulk of the story was written by O'Keefe who is on the staff of "Daily News Sports Investigation Team". Right - he goes looking for "dirt" to satisfy his employer because that's simply the Daily News! And he never ever tells both sides of a story.
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Post by hesnotmypres on Feb 24, 2014 10:31:05 GMT -5
Evelyn:
Children are taken daily from there Mom/Dad, caregivers. If an incident is going to happen it will, NO one can control what a "bad person" can/will do.
Now to the authors of the story, they found a story and reported it. Because you didn't like how/what they reported so be it. YOU have the right to reply with your points of view. The Daily News posts people replies to stories ALL the time as do every other Newspaper/Magazine.
I just wish you'd have the same passion in your replies when Baffert is the target of the same type of stories. After all he is a Horse Trainer and we all are supposed to love the sport not just parts of it.
Pres
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