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Post by Jon on Jan 24, 2014 23:36:47 GMT -5
LOL What a great "tag team"
Cuomo's upstate casino plan will be a failure within 10 yrs. Suffolk is very well kept Wiz.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 0:24:48 GMT -5
I've never seen so many people rooting for others to lose their jobs. And when they go on unemployment or welfare or apply for food stamps they'll bitch about that too!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 1:06:16 GMT -5
WHO IS GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOBS? THOSE THAT DO WILL BE REPLACED BY OTHERS GAINING EMPLOYMENT. ITS A WASH, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THE EMPLOYER WILL BE A LOT MORE RELIABLE TO STAY IN BUSSINESS AND REMAIN PROFITABLE, THEREBY INSURING LONGER TERM EMPLOYMENT.
LOL What a great "tag team"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 8:34:16 GMT -5
The Casino employs MANY more people than Suffolk Downs... Also 100% of the Casino employees pay taxes, NOT the case with Suffolk Downs...
Then the most important part the Casino fills the taxmans pocket, Suffolk NOT so much...
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Post by Evelyn on Jan 25, 2014 11:54:31 GMT -5
Where are you getting this information? Such as racing industry enployees not paying taxes? What I see here is gamblers versus racing loyalists. Casinos are notoriously bad employers - talk to some of the employees! BTW - gamblers are needed but without horses, there is no racing. Wiz won't be happy until ALL tracks are closed except SA and people bet via simulcasts. I also think if Jon and George had a different view, some of these opinions would change. Why is there no bitching about LA, MD etc. where casinos exist? No - just the NE. So transparent
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 16:29:18 GMT -5
please. you know damn well many of the illegals working the backside don't pay taxes. if you want to bury your head in the sand on that one, go ahead. btw, no one is saying to get rid of the horses........ just the unnecessary, run down tracks that aren't needed anymore!! I don't want to get rid of every track. never have I said that, but places like nyra started this shit with OTB's and others with ADW's and simulcasting 30 years ag when it should have NEVER happened. now its to late to go back. you cant change the past. you have to do the best with the cards you've been dealt. at this point getting rid of these tracks and making the racing better at fewer tracks is the only thing that will save racing. otherwise wasting horses and money keeping every track that LOYALISTS want to save is doing nothing more then depleting the product further.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 18:32:34 GMT -5
wiz, NYRA and the New York racing industry were violently opposed to the implementation of the NYC OTB system - they predicted that if the legislation was passed creating the OTBs, the race tracks would become racing studios with no one in the stands, and it would eventually destroy racing.
They were right (although it wasn't just OTB that did that, the casinos in Atlantic City and the explosion of other casinos after that contributed to it too) As a matter of fact, there was a negotiated agreement between Mayor John Lindsay, NYRA and the OTBs, that should attendance drop the OTBs would pay NYRA a certain amount for lost attendance. That never happened, though.
Two other things - Massachusetts has a small scale but relatively healthy breeding industry. Without Suffolk Downs that industry would disappear. Also, the implication is that if the casino were to be awarded to the Everett developer it would provide a large number of jobs. That wouldn't be the case if the casino license was awarded to Suffolk Downs? The number of employees would be roughly the same, the same jobs, restaurants, bars, etc. AND the racetrack would remain too. Sounds good to me, and it would be in an area that has embraced the existence of a casino. One should look into the reaction of the people and governments of the towns surrounding Everett. Pretty much all are against the casino there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 20:12:43 GMT -5
I honestly don't know who STARTED all of this 30 years ago, but whoever it was, that was where the problems began. and my point isn't to point fingers at who stsrted it. it is just to say it is too late to go back now. things will never be the same, and until people realize that and stop trying to save every racetrack because they have fond memories of it, the industry will continue to falter.
im sure it doesn't matter who runs the casino. but my point is that the effort and money being put into saving that track is futile and unnecessary. every horse that runs there is one less horse that could be filling out a field somewhere else, whether it be in state or out. and the odds of that casino being successful and staying open and profitable are a lot more likely if it is being run by steve wynn then if it is being run by joe blow.
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Post by Evelyn on Jan 25, 2014 21:03:13 GMT -5
Mohegan Sun is NOT "joe blow". They are successful and do a great job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 21:18:40 GMT -5
Evelyn, from a customer service standpoint they're just about the best. And I've already pointed out that they run an excellent racing operation at Pocono Downs along with a casino and three OTB shops. They have one of the best stakes programs on the east coast, one that even rivals the New Meadowlands.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 22:01:08 GMT -5
ok well the horse racing loyalists can root for Mohegan and Suffolk and the racing fans will root for steve wynn and the advancement of the overall racing product.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 22:06:37 GMT -5
Wiz:
Here, here... You need to start cleaning House, by getting rid of the "deadbeat" tracks.. If there wasn't hope for a Casino Suffolk would have been gone 3-5 years ago...
Wynn is a genius...
Another good point you bought up probably 80% of the Backstretch workers don't pay taxes....
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Post by Evelyn on Jan 25, 2014 22:14:01 GMT -5
ok well the horse racing loyalists can root for Mohegan and Suffolk and the racing fans will root for steve wynn and the advancement of the overall racing product. Huh? "advancement of theracing product?? Isn't this opposite of what you've previously posted? No, racing fans are rooting for Mohegan and Suffolk! Gamblers (and those who are sucking up to Wiz LOL)want Wynn. Wiz - I know the Pretty Woman line doesn't apply to you
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 22:31:52 GMT -5
Evelyn:
Your sense of humor was OK, but I'm the one beating the drum for Steve Wynn... Wiz jumped on my bandwagon.... If you've ever been in a Wynn property you'll see they are first class, no corners cut...
I'll be posting you some pictures from the Wynn Encore in the very near future...
Now back on topic, Suffolk is just drowning, why would a businessman invest in a losing property?? Mohegan Sun could give a rats fart about the racetrack...
Enjoy your evening I'm off to make some $$$$$ at Sam Houston....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 22:38:01 GMT -5
ok well the horse racing loyalists can root for Mohegan and Suffolk and the racing fans will root for steve wynn and the advancement of the overall racing product. Huh? "advancement of theracing product?? Isn't this opposite of what you've previously posted? No, racing fans are rooting for Mohegan and Suffolk! Gamblers (and those who are sucking up to Wiz LOL)want Wynn. Wiz - I know the Pretty Woman line doesn't apply to you LOVE it! By the way, maybe 10-20 years ago backstretch employees didn't pay taxes. No, make that 20-30 years ago. These days most (not all) backstretch workers are documented and do pay all the taxes that they're required to pay (sound familiar?) Most of those that don't aren't making enough to qualify for tax payments.
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Post by Evelyn on Jan 25, 2014 22:51:06 GMT -5
I was talking aboput the horse industry - not just tracks. The horse industry pays lots of taxes. Sure - Wynn has nice Vegas places. He is an outsider and doesn't belong in MA IMO Does he operate any racinos?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 22:59:53 GMT -5
George:
Your alleged "facts" about the % of Backstretch workers that are documented is VERY false...there are less than 30% of all NYRA Backstretch employees that are currently Documented. Some are in the process of getting their papers, but 70% are not and will NEVER be documented.
And since you're so good at google, you'll find those facts....
I'm off to Sam Houston to bet...
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Post by Evelyn on Jan 25, 2014 23:02:53 GMT -5
Does the Suffolk possible casino affect the proposed Everett casino?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 23:15:11 GMT -5
George: Your alleged "facts" about the % of Backstretch workers that are documented is VERY false...there are less than 30% of all NYRA Backstretch employees that are currently Documented. Some are in the process of getting their papers, but 70% are not and will NEVER be documented. And since you're so good at google, you'll find those facts.... I'm off to Sam Houston to bet... Pres MY "alleged facts"? I wasn't the one to throw out the 80% - where did that come from? Even YOU admit above that the 80% is incorrect, it's now down to 70% - what will it be in the morning, 20%? Do YOU have anything to back up your claims? I think not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 23:23:54 GMT -5
Does the Suffolk possible casino affect the proposed Everett casino? Evelyn, it will be one or the other, that's the way the law is written up in MA. If Suffolk gets it, Everett is out. If I were to bet on it, Suffolk will get it based on a few things: - It's an established, long time, and respected MA entity. - Mohegan Sun is an existing New England casino with a proven New England reputation. - Revere is a coastal, resort-type town, not in an "inland" industrial area like the Everett location. - Wynn is an "outsider", and he or his representatives went into the hearing this week with a major attitude - they spent more time putting down the Mohegan Sun/Suffolk proposal than promoting their own proposal - New Englanders don't like that.
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